mk racing indoor gp 16th dec [Archive] - Page 2

ginger fixit

13-12-2007, 07:33 PM

hi guys

heres the list or every body i have in my book and the online entry form

neil cragg
nick goodall
lee (pidge) martin
tony truman
grant williams
Elliott Boots
rob (redhot) rasey
alan saunders
richard saunders
tristram neal
ryan lees
simon freeman
wes (sideshow) myles
ian hanc*ck
damien tutton
nick wilson
adam (showtime) lewis
tony scott
chris green
trevor follington
ian southwell
mark byrne
elliott hopkins
rob rance
james evans
brian preddy
Duncan Brass
kevin tombeur
grant fribbens
tony bolwell

4wd

nathan ralls
Elliott Boots
Andy griffiths
matt perry
mark (MK Racing) Knight
rob rasey
roger mills
marc nascimento
cris oxley
steve thurlbourne
grant fribbens
Daniel Hardstaff
mark williamson
brett hope
gary spice
simon chambers
scott follington
David Mudford
pete attrell
rich cree
giles bishop
jason moller
ee flynn
ben hubbard
stuart band
mark morris
matt lee
dave church
tony bolwell
jason potter
mark d icks

micro prostock

craig harris
rob hillmon
stephen davies
rob chalmers
Dave Middleton
james d icks
mark d icks
chris bottle

micro modified

cris oxley
carl venter
grant fribbens
jason moller
edward moller
duncan greer
jonathan clark
Darryl Osborne
colin dean

right as far as i know that is all the entries upto date if your name is not on the list pm me before saturday morning after that just turn up on the day we will get you in if you want to race DONT PANIC there is loads of room.

doors open 730 sharp entry 10pounds per class (chris)

booking in till 845

drivers briefing till 9.00

practice in heat order till 10/1030 1 round

racing from 1030

raffle by mk racing and cml 1.30/2.00ish

2.15ish finals

end of day trophies

pack up go home nackered get very drunk

_JP_

13-12-2007, 07:39 PM

You gotta let JP in, he is a legend:D Look forward to beatin you, haha

lol see you sunday dude! not even run the B44 yet!
gonna be like marmite love or hate :)

budgio

13-12-2007, 07:45 PM

Looking forward to my 1st ever indoor meet.

Beware of the noob !!:)
My aim is not to come last and to get my b4 home in one piece.

Nick(budgio)wilson.

Southwell

13-12-2007, 08:20 PM

Ive never done a proper indoor meeting without breaking a front wishbone, every single time it's me going to fast onto the straight and rubbing the wall a tad hard :D

David Church

13-12-2007, 08:23 PM

lol see you sunday dude! not even run the B44 yet!
gonna be like marmite love or hate :)

Dude I am sure you are gonna like it. It looked good at the worlds!!!
But my S-4 has been completely rebuilt for this meeting:D so it's sweet!!!
And you will be learning a new car?:o
May be the first time I beat you, haha

David Church

13-12-2007, 08:25 PM

Ive never done a proper indoor meeting without breaking a front wishbone, every single time it's me going to fast onto the straight and rubbing the wall a tad hard :D

By saying rubbing you mean bouncing off, yep that's about right, haha:D

tyreman

13-12-2007, 08:46 PM

lol see you sunday dude! not even run the B44 yet!
gonna be like marmite love or hate :)

I remember the last time I saw you race indoors, at Stoke you brike your XXX4/B4 every round

Southwell

13-12-2007, 09:15 PM

By saying rubbing you mean bouncing off, yep that's about right, haha:D

Damn it, you saw through my disguise. :p

rob8246

13-12-2007, 10:09 PM

2) Will mains power be available and if so will we need to bring our own extension leads? (Health and safety legistation says all trailing leads must be taped down to avoid trip hazards ..... sorry for being boring but a bit off gaffa tape is a small price to pay for mains power!)

Rodger,

Surprisingly enough mate we have decided to let an Adult eg, myself to take care of the mains sockets for the meeting. So do not concern yourself with H&S issues as that is not your worry.
Eggs and Sucking spring to mind.

RogerM

13-12-2007, 10:37 PM

rob glad to hear it mate .......... every indoor meeting I've ever been to has looked like a knot contest after about 3 minutes with cables everywhere .... looking forward to not tripping over a million times with my clumsy old feet....lol

c0sie

13-12-2007, 11:18 PM

Jason, im running a B44 on Sunday aswell..you running kit settings?

rob8246

13-12-2007, 11:23 PM

Gaz_Stanton

14-12-2007, 12:06 AM

hmmm... not on list :(

Andy, PM sent.

_JP_

14-12-2007, 12:06 AM

Jason, im running a B44 on Sunday aswell..you running kit settings?

yes mate at the moment will have to speak to the big boys sunday and see what there trying :)

LOL at mr Preddy!!

rich_cree

14-12-2007, 08:43 AM

Is the track going to be all carpet?????

Nick Goodall

14-12-2007, 09:11 AM

Is the track going to be all carpet?????

Noooo it will have a few slippery sections mate don't worry

rich_cree

14-12-2007, 01:05 PM

thank god for that, didn't fancy racing 4wd on carpet much, or indeed anything just on carpet!

_JP_

14-12-2007, 11:23 PM

Can some one confirm the address please

clere school
burghclere newbury berks
rg20 9hp

or

web site

Newbury RC Club, Liberty Ballroom, 187 Main Street
New Greenham Park, Newbury RG19 6HW

Thanks :)

Southwell

14-12-2007, 11:27 PM

Liberty ballroom, it was moved from Clere school.

showtime

14-12-2007, 11:40 PM

got you a flash earth link using the postcode, not sure which exact building but you can scroll out to get an idea of location etc ;)

http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=51.374259&lon=-1.280957&z=16.5&r=0&src=msl

ginger fixit

15-12-2007, 07:41 AM

hi guys

address is the one on the web site liberty ballrooms

doors open 7.30 get there early if you need 240 there is not many outlets

thanks guys my contact number is
07764 339189

dont hesitate to call if you need help Andy Bell

GRIFF55

15-12-2007, 10:38 AM

Sounds good Andy, you may have an early morning call coz my navigation skill are a bit poor:p. Hopefully good old faithfull Tom is on the ball

niggs98

15-12-2007, 10:42 AM

Dude I am sure you are gonna like it. It looked good at the worlds!!!
But my S-4 has been completely rebuilt for this meeting:D so it's sweet!!!

May be the first time I beat you, haha

that depends dc was it you who rebuilt it :D

c0sie

15-12-2007, 11:05 AM

Sorry Andy, brain is broke.
Any food on the day fella?

JCJC

15-12-2007, 11:21 AM

Sorry Andy, brain is broke.
Any food on the day fella?

"food snacks only on site and drinks tea coffee so on"

page back to page 11...........:)

c0sie

15-12-2007, 11:58 AM

coooofffeeeeee :D

_JP_

15-12-2007, 12:43 PM

Sounds good Andy, you may have an early morning call coz my navigation skill are a bit poor:p. Hopefully good old faithfull Tom is on the ball

lets hope so, I'm leaving here at 6am ish, tomtom better be good!!

GRIFF55

15-12-2007, 01:55 PM

I just tried the post code in tom and it takes you to a different street?? Very close, but when i entered the road name a pic of a car with an x through it came up. I guess it's just a small road, am i right andy?
Oh well(it's bound to get me there), see you all in the morning, i'm off to bed now. :p

Elliott Hopkins

15-12-2007, 07:10 PM

*hyukyukyuk*

You're all going to frickin' love the track.

c0sie

15-12-2007, 07:20 PM

Give us a clue :D

Any idea hiow long the straight is?

Elliott Hopkins

15-12-2007, 07:21 PM

Why would I spoil a perfectly good surprise? :)

mobile chicane

15-12-2007, 07:38 PM

track rawks

:D

although the loop the loop and ring of fire are for the a and b finals only

Elliott Hopkins

15-12-2007, 07:41 PM

They lit it then? :D

Ace.

I hope they power up the motion tracking lazers for the people who go off line.

frogger

15-12-2007, 07:43 PM

I'm probably dreaming but did someone say that RaceLink will be online tomorrow? If so could someone post a link to the software please?

Can't wait :D

Elliott Hopkins

15-12-2007, 07:45 PM

Ooh where is the parking by the way?

We won't fit in those 10 spaces.

Is it around the back?

Edit: I think it's over the road looking at the map and location of the ballroom.

AmiSMB

15-12-2007, 10:13 PM

The timing software is BBK and if you have a laptop with wireless you can use BBK netscreen which is available as a download from www.bbksoftware.com. If you have a PDA phone with wireless then you can use a web browser and point it to www.newburyrcclub.co.uk whilst connected to the wireless network and will be able to see BBK DriverNET PDA.

frogger

15-12-2007, 11:19 PM

The timing software is BBK and if you have a laptop with wireless you can use BBK netscreen which is available as a download from www.bbksoftware.com (http://www.bbksoftware.com). If you have a PDA phone with wireless then you can use a web browser and point it to www.newburyrcclub.co.uk (http://www.newburyrcclub.co.uk) whilst connected to the wireless network and will be able to see BBK DriverNET PDA.

Thanks!:D

showtime

16-12-2007, 01:14 AM

is anyone else thinking they should have started started getting ready earlier :confused: :wtf:

mw02veg

16-12-2007, 07:40 PM

:o:wtf::eh?::mad:

c0sie

16-12-2007, 08:19 PM

What a BRILLIANT day!! My first competitive 10th offroad meeting was bloody ace!

Big thanks from the micro featernity to Andy and co for a great day and a great (but slippy!) track!
HUGE thanks to:
*Wez for lending me his ace B44 :)
*Pidge and Marc Knight for hooking me up with afew spares when I broke the B44 :D
*Si from Microtech (cant remember your surname sorry) for having a laugh with me in the 4WD B final :)
*Mrs Bottle for baking a lush cake :)
Craig Harris/JC for letting me dribble all over Craig's new 'present' :)

Roll on Newbury Open 2008, ill be there for sure!

ryan

16-12-2007, 08:37 PM

Today has been great. We all built the track yesterday and I can see all the clubs efforts wernt waisted at all.

A Special thanks to Rob for organising so much to get this meeting going.

Again a large thanks to Andy bell for the huge efforts on the jump building and the smooth running of the meeting.

Lee and Nick did a fantastic job on designing the track and it was good to have a track which was challenging, as for when you got it right it was very satisfying.

I was impressed with the turn out and would like to see this again. Thanks to MKracing for sponsoring the event and supplying us with spares.
So cheers to everyone for coming and having a good time.

Trish ;) X

David Church

16-12-2007, 08:54 PM

mobile chicane

16-12-2007, 09:36 PM

top event well done andy and rob and all involved there were a few teething troubles but this was newburys first big national event and what niggles there were were sorted out quickly.

we're all waiting for the next one

GRIFF55

16-12-2007, 09:52 PM

Just got home, well worth the trip, the racing was great fun best of all scoring a goal with DC's car:p:p.(it was only a little tap;)).
Thanks to all who designed and built the track, ran the meeting and supplied the raffle.Great day, count me in if there's another one!!
Andy Griff

Chris Green

16-12-2007, 09:57 PM

I really enjoyed myself today. This was my first big meeting with a 10th off-road car, and I loved every second of it.

Qualifying 8th overall in 2WD was a huge surprise for me too. It was great for me to be in the same finals as some of the countries best drivers.

Thanks to the Newbury guys for putting on a great event.

Body Paint

16-12-2007, 10:11 PM

Well done everyone, nice to see a club with so much support. Was a tough event to be trying out new kit, and boy was it trying LOL, you done a good job and pulled off an enjoyable day.

I didn't get on with the track at first as I just couldn't get my head around the lack of grip but I got the hang of it in the end, sorry Bootle ;)

Well done, and thanks again!

RogerM

16-12-2007, 10:12 PM

Looks like I was the only one not to like the corss-over jump then :( Don't think there is a single plastic part on the BJ4 that doesn't have at least a crack in it!!!!!

I just think all features should be "roll-able" if you get into trouble so you have a route out.

I thought the rest of the track rocked ... the big hump was cool ... even if I was nearly killed marshaling it!!! Liked the pair of doubles too ... great to jump, easy to roll if you entered all out of shape.

I can't wait to get to tracks like CML Raceway to practice jumping ...... it's something we just don't do much of in this country. In the west mids region we have the doubles at Coventry and that is about it I think (Kiddy doesn't really have "jumps" .... just features IMHO .... still my fav' off-road track to date though).

Was interesting running a 2wd against the 4wds .....

Great venue though, parking and pitting were easy space wise, really nice size of track and very friendly people running the meeting. Such a shame the timing caused problems, hope you work out what the problem is and that it doesn't haunt you again.

All told I think the meeting was very good on the whole, unfortunately it could also be described as "smashing".....

showtime

16-12-2007, 10:21 PM

the only problem i had with the jumps was jumping to far off them :rolleyes:
they were all easily clearable with less than 2 feet runup!!

great meeting, great track, very challenging but very enjoyable when you timed all the jumps right :D

thanks to everyone involved in organising & running the meeting
nice to see some friends again & certainly more fun than freezing your jacobs off outdoors somewhere!

pre booking open for the next one?
i heard Feb?
but i'm sure we'd all go to another in January :D

David Church

16-12-2007, 10:23 PM

AmiSMB

16-12-2007, 10:30 PM

I have just got in. Took me a while to clear my pit table what with doing 3 classes. Had a great day and loved the track. Shame I had a problem with my brushless motor in the 4wd but got out a good old fashioned brushed and all was well. Well done all for the effort put in to make a great meeting. Hopefully my faster motor and esc might arrive for the micro soon ;) :D

GRIFF55

16-12-2007, 10:46 PM

A "TAP" You must be joking, haha, it was a major boot, but you did put me in the net!!!! I will get you next time:D

Hey DC, your not going to believe it BUT, I SAW YOU IN A MAGAZINE!!:D:D

frogger

16-12-2007, 11:20 PM

Absolutely fantastic day! Brilliant track layout, great jumps! Can't wait for the next one!

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/newbury2.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/newbury3.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/newbury5.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/newbury6.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/newbury7.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/newbury8.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/newbury9.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/newbury10.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/newbury11.JPG

frogger

16-12-2007, 11:20 PM

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/newbury12.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/newbury13.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/newbury20.JPG

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/newbury21.JPG

rich_cree

16-12-2007, 11:34 PM

http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n239/rich_cree/?action=view&current=CIMG1045.flv

_JP_

16-12-2007, 11:39 PM

Thanks to all that had a part in this event today! :D
Had a great time, well I would say that after finishing 6th in the 4wd class, oh, and I beat JP mwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa cheers for breaking on the warm up lap in the 2nd final, haha.:o

There was a few timing issues, but you guys did a great job!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL DC, great day and lots of laughs.

The track was well..., challenging but when I got it right I enjoyed it, just annoyed me that I broke 3 ball-cups for some strange reason!

hope we can sort the timing problems out, but great job of sorting today out, I know its not easy sorting the problems out from running the computer in the past!

I don't know if anyone heard today but Dave Church is a super star he was in RC Car Action from the worlds, I know he tried to keep it quiet today and did not tell many people, your secret is out dude!

RogerM

17-12-2007, 07:12 AM

Oh, by the way, sorry to the guy who made an effort to come over and say hello. I hope I didn't seem too unfriendly, I certainly didn't mean to be. I was just really fed-up with everything at that point and was despirately trying to get either the pile of scrap that had started the day as a 4wd running again and trying to get the 2wd ready in case I needed to run that ...... which I did.

Just the wrong time, a few minutes later and you wouldn't have shut me up ...... can usually talk for england!!!

Hope to chat to you next time.

Chris Green

17-12-2007, 08:37 AM

http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n239/rich_cree/?action=view&current=CIMG1045.flv

Thanks for the video Rich.

I'm in there a bit too. :)

JCJC

17-12-2007, 09:21 AM

Couple of snaps, even ramped to 1600iso, f4, 60th of a second, to slow:confused:

http://picasaweb.google.com/MickJackson2007/MKNewbury?authkey=lV1Kysau2zw

Loved the video & other pictures. :cool:

Oh, by the way, sorry to the guy who made an effort to come over and say hello. Hope to chat to you next time.

May have been me Roger, next time:)

Southwell

17-12-2007, 09:25 AM

I drove like a complete plank all day but had a laugh. Well done to Trish for 5th, you drove well all day! The track was good and rewarding to drove cleanly, once the tyres were worn a bit you could do massive drifts into corners :D
Well done to everyone on your first big meeting.

O and thanks to the guy who couldnt judge a jump and bruised my hands in several places!! :rolleyes:

Bathy

17-12-2007, 09:33 AM

Thanks for having me yesterday, was good to get racing again, really enjoyed it, was a whole lotta fun!!!

Mash Potato

17-12-2007, 09:36 AM

Great day, thanks to all for organising.

Had a few issues due to lask of preparation, so did very badly. Still had a great time, and will be at the next one too.

markwilliamson2001

17-12-2007, 09:52 AM

WOW What a track...(what a shock to the system). Don't really have that many jumps in any of the tracks at our region, but was very satisfying, once you started getting it right. Here are my thoughts from the meeting:

The Good!
1) Venue, brilliant, if a little cold (but out of the clubs control - fair enough).
2) Track, excellent - good mix of slippy and carpet to make it a challenge. The difference in grip between carpet and floor was not massive. The track markers were non-damaging, which was superb, and I really liked the section at the end of the straight, it flowed well if you got it right. Tyres were not an issue as was tyre wear.
3) You had AMBrc, which makes my life SOOO much easier...
4) The big dome jump in the middle was an excellent feature, as you could roll it or jump it.

The Bad!
My only complaint with the track was the cross-over jump, it was mainly to do with the fact that you had no opt out option, should someone make a mistake in front of you, or if you jumped it a little too short, then you could potentially ruin someone else's race, who had successfully cleared the jump, and was going through the 'under' part of the track.

With it being such a critical part of the track, I also thought the landing areas was a little too short, since you could easily clear it with full throttle. It was also directly opposite the landing area of the jump in front of the rostrum, so cars overjumping the other jump could easily take you out if you were going over the 'cross over' jump. (This also happened to me on more than one occasion.) This also made marshalling a bit hasty to say the least (I shlould know, I marshalled there). With the range of abilities on the day, I think this (the cross over) was pitched a little too 'high'.

I did mention this to Andy, and he was in two minds about the cross-over when it was being put in. However, it was memorable and here we are talking about it... (so...).

Well run meeting, (but feel knackered this morning).

Thanks guys for all the hard work.

Mark.

Lee Martin

17-12-2007, 10:00 AM

cross over....fair enough some liked it. some didnt.........

most people in RC i speak to love american tracks....including myself....anyone who saw the Losi race at lake park with 3 cross overs was like WOW! so as we dont allow it here i thought, why not have something different! something thats going to make a change and something thats going to put the enjoyment factor right up there....

most people with a 1 foot run up could clear the jump....and on a dead straight bit of track........for the people that enjoyed it thats cool, as it will prob be the last time you drive a real cross over in the UK by the sounds of it! lol! the 8th ones arnt really cross overs..theres no risk...and u cant really see either side of them as they massive and have big grids over the top....no risk there = no real excitment! everyone knows risks make things interesting.....

the short areas before and after jumps was to 'try' to stop people ramping them as the slower you could do it. the faster it was! which wrked to some extent.

i believe it went pretty well....glad the micro boys liked it! that heli motored micro was awesome!

i hope other tracks start putting in jumps as when you can successfully jump RC cars thats what makes off road racing AMAZING! get practising people!

Lee

ginger fixit

17-12-2007, 10:01 AM

guys

i would like to say thanks to all that came to race with us the track was a nice combination of surfaces and some killer jumps we hoped by having it twisty would keep the cars slow on the jumps and limit too many painfull crashes.

i spent about a week making all the jumps for the event but it was well worth it i have to change 1 or 2 things like longer down ramp on the table top and poss a few pillows here and there, and we will have to get some body armour and helmets for the marshalls but all was good i think

we did have a nightmare with the loop not sure what to do with that yet it was borrowed so we wernt that familier with all the ins and outs of setting up the peramiters, we have learnt a lot though and next time it will be sorted . we think we didnt have the gap between the wires wide enough and we also had coiled up the slack which we were told was not good, but a very big thankyou to those who had issues and were very paticent and let us sort it out as best we could.

we are hoping to do three more this winter jan feb and march we just have to make sure we can use the kit again and maybe rope somebody in to helping us out with the system setup.:wtf:

thanks again any coments good or bad please post them here we can then sort out what wasnt good for the next one

thanks Andy Bell :)

i

Southwell

17-12-2007, 10:05 AM

we are hoping to do three more this winter jan feb and march we just have to make sure we can use the kit again and maybe rope somebody in to helping us out with the system setup.:wtf:

I can probably lend a hand with getting the system up and running, i pick up those kinda things quickly.

c0sie

17-12-2007, 10:06 AM

Pidge,
Jumpy tracks rule! we need MOOOOORE!!!!
The micros loved it, cleared all the jumps quite easily and werent that far off the times of you bigger boys ;) :D
Thanks for the shock cap too, kept Wez quiet :D

c0sie

17-12-2007, 10:08 AM

Andy,

If I had to be negative, it would be that £1.20 for a can of coke is a bloody outrage! Damn that cafe lol

OldTimer

17-12-2007, 10:17 AM

My take on the meeting, loved the cross over 1st time i have driven one lol, the big mother of a jump was great loved that, hated the two lots of doubles for me spoiled the flow of the track and were very random, there ok for the top guys, but hard work for us not so good drivers ;)

Lap counting, had one run all day which i had all my laps counted, moaning about it sorry andy :) but when i realised a lot of other people were in the same boat, i stopped worrying about it and enjoyed the racing.

So if there are any more meetings planned i would be back.

And did anybody here that David Church was in RC Car Action magazine :)

Nick Goodall

17-12-2007, 10:34 AM

Masssssssive thanks and well done to Andy Bell, Rob Rasey and everyone involved in setting up the computer, timing gear, speakers and everything else.

I think the day ran as smoothly as possible considering it was the first big event here, the only issues i heard of were a couple of 4wd's that didn't count but that was mainly down to where they'd put their PT's wasn't it?

All in all it ran very well and most people seemed to enjoy the track. It wasn't easy by any means but i'm sure most people would only improve their driving by racing at places like this - With limited space indoors it's important to keep the speed down to a degree and use the space as well as possible so we tried to keep all of these things in mind when building the track.

I think 25 second laps for 2wd indoors is pretty cool, nothing worse then having 13/14 second laps as the lap is over far too quickly and the racing can become a bit of a procession which is a bit boring......

Next time we'll try and make it a little easier for the novices as there were quite a few people that clearly hadn't done much racing before so with the addition of these jumps it was obviously quite difficult to master for these guys but you have to try and cater for everyone - i think a lot of the newbies would have struggled whatever we did as indoor racing is always compact and a bit tricky if you try and have a bit of slippy stuff and a few jumps thrown in.

Well done to Trish, he drove awesome to finish 5th and shown he's really improved over the last few months (not just at CML Raceway) :D

Also thought young Mr Boots drove superb for someone who rarely races electric, i could see with more track time he'd quickly get up to speed with 2wd but with the B44 he was really flying and looked extremely fast!

Well done to Ellis for winning and Lee for TQ, also to Truman for his Trumanating moves on me and Lee in the last race, even though he threw it all away :D Was a good fun day and i personally loved the Track but as with any new venture we now know which areas we can improve on and Lee and I will work even harder next time to perfect the track.

Look forward to seeing even more of you at the next one!

OldTimer

17-12-2007, 10:39 AM

I was using a handout transponder all day Nick in 4wd, but i know the guys really want to get to the bottom of the problems which is good :)

Southwell

17-12-2007, 10:47 AM

I was using a handout transponder all day Nick in 4wd, but i know the guys really want to get to the bottom of the problems which is good :)

Bathy had problems all day, we put his transponder in his wing for the last run and it counted perfectly. :eh?:

OldTimer

17-12-2007, 10:50 AM

Bathy had problems all day, we put his transponder in his wing for the last run and it counted perfectly. :eh?:

Yep was a bit strange, i guess with bathy its was the bling reflecting the signal away from the loop :D

losixxx

17-12-2007, 10:51 AM

are/will the results be on-lines at all?

c0sie

17-12-2007, 10:51 AM

i'm sure most people would only improve their driving by racing at places like this

Totally agree :)

B&H Racing

17-12-2007, 10:55 AM

I really enjoyed the meeting, never experienced jumps like that before !

Big thanks to the organisers for the meeting and the track preperation.

Bit daunting at 1st but once i got used to them, I was doing 26sec laps which I was very happy with.

I`ll be there for another meeting :D

markwilliamson2001

17-12-2007, 11:20 AM

Also thought young Mr Boots drove superb for someone who rarely races electric, i could see with more track time he'd quickly get up to speed with 2wd but with the B44 he was really flying and looked extremely fast!
!

I agree Nick, he did look awesomely (is that a word??) fast all day.
I also agree with the comments about the new guys, it even looked like Cree was making mistakes on the track, so it MUST have been hard.

Mark

smk

17-12-2007, 11:23 AM

are/will the results be on-lines at all?

I'll be putting the results up on the Newbury RC club's website at some point in the near future. Because of the lap counting issues in 4WD the results need quite a bit of editing to give the right results. Anyway I'll post here once the job is complete.

Thanks to everyone for their patience with the lapcounting problems, and to everyone who helped run the event particularly those like Andy and Tracy Bell who gave up their weekend and didn't get to race.

Kevin Tombeur
http://www.newburyrcclub.co.uk/

Lee Martin

17-12-2007, 11:27 AM

cree crashes all the time!
hahahahahha

markwilliamson2001

17-12-2007, 11:31 AM

ROFLMAO!!!:D

I had a gutting end to the weekend, my cheap nasty KO servo packed up, and refused to let the car turn right :confused::confused:, which meant that I only got 5 corners of my first final :(:(

M.

Lee Martin

17-12-2007, 11:34 AM

i tihkn cheap and nasty is where your problem lies there dude!!!

lol

markwilliamson2001

17-12-2007, 11:44 AM

Yes, I bought it on a limb, but since it was £40 I am surpised it has lasted this long...(5 meets!!). From what I remember, it costs £40 quid for KO to repair it, so I thought I might be another one if it goes wrong...

Anyone got any recommendations for a new one. Ideally 6v with metal gears for under £70?

M.

Lee Martin

17-12-2007, 11:50 AM

EASY!!!!!!!

the new AE XP servos are v awesome!!!!!!

and only like £55..........!

Southwell

17-12-2007, 11:55 AM

You running a servo saver? That could be half your problem.

markwilliamson2001

17-12-2007, 11:59 AM

Servo Saver...No it wasnt that, since I didn't hit anything just before it went wrong?? Plus I have a big heavy duty horn on the servo, so the white arm bends way before the servo horn does, but their isnt actually a servo saver on the XX4 (you should know Ian).

M.

markwilliamson2001

17-12-2007, 12:00 PM

Had looked at those servo's pidge.

Seems like a good bargain.

M.

Elliott Hopkins

17-12-2007, 12:00 PM

Hello,

Drove like a muppet all day, couldn't concentrate all day, got increasingly more narky as the day went on, apologies to my pit buddy. That'll be my name at the bottom of the table.

The track was completely ace. I agree more run off was needed after the down ramps. And nice soft pillows at the end of the main straight in case you misjudge the brake point.

The big hump was perfectly formed. Seeing the cars bomb down the straight was a particularly pleasure.

Lots of breakages: 1 wishbone, a self dismantling front shock and a comprehensively mullered motor with delaminating stack and associated blue smoke. Three separate races.

Everyone involved needs a medal. Everything about the day was first class.

Elliott.

Lee Martin

17-12-2007, 12:01 PM

they really good dude!

Southwell

17-12-2007, 12:02 PM

Yeah i know, kimbrough do one that sits on the servo, thats what i meant ;)
I don't actually run one either and havn't had any problems. It must have been on it's way out to only last 5 meetings though.

Southwell

17-12-2007, 12:03 PM

The best car there was the lil micro with a helicopter motor in it, that things was absolutely nuts!!

Nick Goodall

17-12-2007, 12:22 PM

The best car there was the lil micro with a helicopter motor in it, that things was absolutely nuts!!

haha that was awesome, squriming all the way up the straight i've never seen one move that quickly, had to be up there with the speed of our buggy's easily!!

Glad everyone seems to be overall happy with the day, we will take on board all comments when designing the next track but it was good to do something different :cool:

rich_cree

17-12-2007, 12:25 PM

Very cool meeting that was, well done to everyone involved in making it a sucess.

The venue is perfect, the track was very challenging. I wouldn't say it needs to be easier but it could do with being a bit more open maybe?

Timing issues where pretty much unimportant, I think everyone ended up where they should have been at the end of the day?

Whens the next one is my only question???? :)

frogger

17-12-2007, 12:29 PM

I can't believe some people didn't like the cross over, to me it was THE feature of the track! :D :D :D More please!!

I must admit, I was thinking the jumps were going to be too big for the micro's but if anything they flew over it!

I also thought the short landings were an eye opener (in a really good way) and it actually made you think about controlling your car over them instead of just full throttling them. It shows you what is possible and it was clear the guys that stayed low and landed on the transitions were the fastest.

Bring on more jumps and more cross overs I say! :D

And yes, agree with Cris - that bar charged crazy money. :wtf:

RogerM

17-12-2007, 12:50 PM

i hope other tracks start putting in jumps as when you can successfully jump RC cars thats what makes off road racing AMAZING! get practising people!

Lee

Agree with everything you say there Lee ..... also I'd like to add how it was great you took my comments on board when I spoke to you.

Definately bring on the jumps ..... all I ask is there is a way to not have to jump if, for whatever reason, you don't feel you can that lap.
I love to have air under my tires, just gets a little frustrating to not really have a clean lap all day (didn't have enough brakes to get it slowed down after the cross-over if I didn't put it down at the very start of the down ramp ...... came up short loads of times trying to overcome that ..... now suspect a motor related problem as brakes are awesome with a sintered in there!)

When you opening up CML Raceway next for some much needed jumping practice??? Really want to run there as the layout looks awesome for both jumping and throttle control practice.

Racing in the west mids most of the tracks are grass with a couple of triangle hops in (or at least used to be when I last did electric regionals) .... some have no air time at all. Doesn't help with jumping practice!

Count me in for the next one ..... 2wd again ... this time in the 2wd class ... :)

Lee Martin

17-12-2007, 12:58 PM

no worries!!

hopefully will find the perfect track next time....or at least steps tht way!!!

Lee

Southwell

17-12-2007, 12:59 PM

You don't need brakes, steer wit da rear :D

AmiSMB

17-12-2007, 01:09 PM

The best car there was the lil micro with a helicopter motor in it, that things was absolutely nuts!!

Glad you liked my Blaze. I think I should have ran with some NiMh packs to calm it down so I could run it properly instead of the 3cell LiPo packs that I ran. Was alot of fun with -100% expo :D Cannot wait to get it out again at the next one!

frogger

17-12-2007, 01:15 PM

the 3cell LiPo packs

How did you sneak that one past scrutineering!? ;) :D :D

budgio

17-12-2007, 01:32 PM

It was my first "proper" race meet and really enjoyed it (apart from the migraine).
Only one broken front shock tower so not too bad.

Thanks to everyone involved in the organisation of the meet it was fantastic.;)

AmiSMB

17-12-2007, 02:32 PM

I had a very busy pit table indeed :D

frogger

17-12-2007, 02:58 PM

Is anyone posting the final results? :)

Chris Green

17-12-2007, 03:29 PM

just wondering, what motors were everyone using in the 2WD A final?

I was running a 10.5 Nosram brushless. I lacked pace on the main straight, but I didn't feel that slow on the infield sections? My own mistakes were the reason that I was at the back of the field.

Thanks.

Southwell

17-12-2007, 04:00 PM

6.5 but it was way too much for the infield. Coulda run a 19turn and done well lol, in fact i probably would have done better.

Lee Martin

17-12-2007, 04:05 PM

6.5 L with small gauge wire.

could have used anything down to a 8.5 i think.

Nick Goodall

17-12-2007, 04:06 PM

6.5 as it's all i have - to be fair i probably wouldn't have run anything less even if i did have it anyway, it's nice to open it up once a lap on the straight :D

mw02veg

17-12-2007, 04:59 PM

11x2 checkpoint but i couldnt get the track all day im not normally that bad:o i had a shocking day never found any pace or rythm it was a right frustrating day cant wait to get some track time in to prove im better than the performance i put in sunday should of just stayed in bed!!!!

grant williams

rob8246

17-12-2007, 05:06 PM

Have read all the comments up to now and it all sounds very positive indeed.
I would like to thank Mark Knight, CML, Clanfield Off Road Club, Remote World Model Car Club, Grant Fribbens and all the Newbury guys for a huge effort.
Fisrt of all would like to talk about the timming system.
It was only laps in 4wd 1/10th that did not count on ocassion. If it was equipment faliure then laps would have been missed in all heats, all day.
That said I will be speaking to Rob Nelson regarding this issue to see if any of the sutup can be improved for next time. Funny how everyone turns into a BBK expert when things go wrong!! :rolleyes:
I think Rich made an excellent point in saying that it was sorted in the end and all drivers finished the day in the correct position.
The track was excellent so well done and thanks to Lee, Nick and Trish for a layout which was hard to drive but very rewarding when you got it right. Whatever track design you go for will not please all as the different levels in ability will always be a problem.
There is room for improvement in lots of areas but for a first GP I thought it was an excellent effort.
Andy give yourself a pat on the back fella. ;)

smk

17-12-2007, 05:26 PM

Results are up here http://www.newburyrcclub.co.uk/raceresults/mkgp/mtg1/

I think Rich made an excellent point in saying that it was sorted in the end and all drivers finished the day in the correct position. ;)

This was mostly true, but I think there were a couple of gremlins that got through now that I've had some more time to study the data. I've changed the results in 4WD a little, based on likely race times for a couple of drivers - but I can't be 100% accurate as missing laps at the end of a race involve estimating race times rather than deducing them.

I don't think Jason Potter would have qualified for the A final, so apologies to Mark Knight because he probably should have been in the A, with Jason in the B.

Apologies too to David Mudford who should have been in the C in place of Mark Dicks.

Thanks for the good feedback guys - makes the effort feel worthwhile.

ryan

17-12-2007, 06:07 PM

Thanks for the comments guys:rolleyes:

I was running a 12x1 v2 which was plenty fast enough for me.

Trish

steve-liberty

17-12-2007, 06:42 PM

Andy,

If I had to be negative, it would be that £1.20 for a can of coke is a bloody outrage! Damn that cafe lol

Dear cOsie
I am sorry that you feel that £1.20 for a can of coke is expensive. I do however have to pay staff to work in the bar and i think you will find that unless you get to race in a supermarket £1.20 is not unreasonable. I do not of course prevent people from bringing in their own refreshments. You probably also did not see me walking round the hall giving away my remaining cakes that we had for sale rather than throwing tnem away, the recipients were most grateful.
I hope apart from that comment that you enjoyed your day.

My congratulations go to Andy and all the others whose names i must get to know for a great day. special thanks to all those who very quickly cleared up.

Kind Regards
Steve
VENUE OWNER

GRIFF55

17-12-2007, 06:45 PM

Bloody nice cakes they were too steve!!! Thanks very much:)

rob8246

17-12-2007, 07:14 PM

Missed the free cakes, bugger!:(

Zipper

17-12-2007, 07:15 PM

Short video taken at the MK GP. Sorry about the quality, but those video hosting sites love to compress the file!

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v16557624dJ5BFqM

c0sie

17-12-2007, 07:17 PM

Dear cOsie
I am sorry that you feel that £1.20 for a can of coke is expensive. I do however have to pay staff to work in the bar and i think you will find that unless you get to race in a supermarket £1.20 is not unreasonable. I do not of course prevent people from bringing in their own refreshments. You probably also did not see me walking round the hall giving away my remaining cakes that we had for sale rather than throwing tnem away, the recipients were most grateful.
I hope apart from that comment that you enjoyed your day.

My congratulations go to Andy and all the others whose names i must get to know for a great day. special thanks to all those who very quickly cleared up.

Kind Regards
Steve
VENUE OWNER

Steve,
Thanks for the reply, and its nice to see even the venue owner taking an interest in what was happening yesterday! You dont often see that!

I aint going to get into a debate over a can of coke, but rest assured I had a BRILLIANT day and thought the venue itself with its contained race area was spot-on!

As with those who have said the same thing, I hope to be able to return at some point next year for more racing in the Ballroom

c0sie

17-12-2007, 07:26 PM

smk

17-12-2007, 07:40 PM

Hi SMK,

In the 4WD B final leg 2 I was given the wrong transponder and finished 3rd in that final, yet the results show me as DNS with a 5 & 10 overall score. I did let Andy know as soon as the race finished and he said that he also picked it up and sorted it on the computer?? Is there any record of my laps? I was given transponder number 3 instead of number 4 for that race.

Hi Cris, I missed that one in the panic. We wrote down your race position because the transponder did show where you finished in the race. Sadly the bbk software does not store this info, so I can't give you and lap times. Results pages amended. - Kevin

c0sie

17-12-2007, 07:45 PM

Kevin,

Many thanks :)

glypo

17-12-2007, 09:27 PM

Evening all.

Thanks to everyone involved in putting on the event, it was really great fun. Unfortunately I only have a compact camera, and I get noise even at ISO of 200 so I was shooting at crazy shutter speeds of around 1/20-1/30 second. This meant a crazy amount of motion blur in the photos and plenty of crazy looking effects. I was also limited on time as I managed to break a lot as well, so that's why my race report and photos are a bit pants (that's my excuse anyway!).

Still, I've just put them online so you can check it out on the Photo section, and the race report under the report section, of my website:

http://www.glypo.com/reports/2007/mkgp/mkreport.jpg

http://www.glypo.com

Also a massive thanks to Giles for the Kyosho bits which really saved my day.

Thanks

Jason

David Church

17-12-2007, 09:30 PM

About the track, it was tough, but also very good!!!
The jumps were very simular to the Euro's this year.
It's great going flat out on our normal tracks, but we don't often get a chance to practise these types of jumps. They do teach you that you have to hit them at the right speed or you lose time.
The crossover was intimidating, but most people over-jumped it, and if you under-jumped it you usualy didnt need marshaling!
These types of tracks are great fun and will help most be better drivers:D
YES, even me!!! haha
I will def be at the next one, unless its the same day as Eden Park, and I hope to see many more jumps:D:D:D

David Church

17-12-2007, 09:35 PM

Oh and forgot to ad, did you all see me in the magazine??? haha
And my S-4 was so sweeeeeeeeeeet after my rebuild.
Cant wait to get my new S-4, I am sure that will be even better:D

Gaz_Stanton

17-12-2007, 09:39 PM

I have to echo some of the earlier comments and thank all involved for putting on a top meeting. :cool:

Really loved driving the track! Not too easy to master but sooo rewarding when you got it right. And the cross-over has to stay for the next one! :D

Was a shame about the gremlins with the timing equipment but it certainly didn't detract from the enjoyment of a great days racing. :) The fact the only race my transponder counted was one of the fastest of the day certainly made up for it for me.

To all those who worked tirelessly in race control and behind the scenes under alot of pressure, don't get dis-heartened. You did a good job and it will become so much easier as you become more familar with the equipment and running events for so many people. Before you know it you will be kicking back and relaxing while your race meetings are running like clockwork. :)

Speaking of which, when is the next one? Gonna need another fix of proper jumps sooner rather than later. :D

showtime

17-12-2007, 09:59 PM

the crossover is a must have ;)

this meeing will be famous for the crossover & any subsequent layout just has to include one :D

i'm rubbish & i enjoyed the layout & definitely don't think it should be made easier!
any & every kind of racing has features that can be problems for people of differning abilities but like has been mentioned before, driving stuff you find difficult can only help your driving to improve ;)

i know there were a few breakages during the day but considering all the loud bangs coming from inside the track i'd have to say the cars coped with the abuse very well ;)

definitely keep the jumps, definitely keep the do or die crossover & definitely keep the long straight!;)
its good to see just how fast the cars are when opened up & Comedy Fribbers Hacker motored micro had to be seen to be believed :o :D

pre booking for the next one? :)

c0sie

18-12-2007, 10:35 AM

Anyone else know of any other photos on line??

trekkerkk

18-12-2007, 11:54 AM

Lee Martin

18-12-2007, 11:56 AM

go race touring cars

Nick Goodall

18-12-2007, 11:56 AM

hi all,
first off all i would like to congratulate all the people who put there time and effort in making the meeting the succes it was,
with the mixed ability that was there i feel the track should have reflected all abilitys and not just the elite,
oh by the way not everyone loves loads off jumps sorry,

trekkker

Definitely not all racers like jumps, those tend to stick to Boring car racing :D

We know that some people struggled and have already said we'll take on board all comments and try to please everyone as much as possible next time but the same old thing with everything you do is that it's physically impossible to please everyone so we just have to try and please the majority - that's all we can do really.

c0sie

18-12-2007, 12:14 PM

Lee you crack me up!

Nick Goodall

18-12-2007, 12:15 PM

Lee you crack me up!

Usual Lee "Subtle as a car crash" Martin :D

Lee Martin

18-12-2007, 12:21 PM

:D:D:D:D:D

rich_cree

18-12-2007, 12:21 PM

Usual Lee "Subtle as a car crash" Martin :D

He speaks the truth! Seems like the jumps are here to stay thank god, theres only one way to get better at them, practise!

So anyway, whens the next one???????????????????????????????????????????????

Lee Martin

18-12-2007, 12:23 PM

im sure we can sort one all in due time!!!!!

rich, fancy coming to help design track next time.....?

rich_cree

18-12-2007, 12:32 PM

yeh ok, 4 crossovers, big quad jump, banked corner????

Lee Martin

18-12-2007, 12:39 PM

dialled!

markwilliamson2001

18-12-2007, 12:39 PM

I think I will split the middle ground here...(as far as jumps are concerned).

I don't mind jumps, (this is off-road) so long as they are well thought out.
I made mistakes on the jumps, but then again I was taking the risk by trying to clear them in one. I could of rolled over most of them, without making mistakes safely - so I understand pidges risk and reward theory.

My must have/be criteria for jumps should be..

1) They are made out of flexible materials that allow some 'give' (well done here Newbury/MK GP)

2) There is always an opt out jump option (to roll the jump should you actually have to... This covers your mixed ability/mere mortal drivers, so if they massively overjump the jump (taking the risk) and break their car, its their fault, not yours(club). As I have mentioned earlier, this was my only criticism of the cross over jump. All the other jumps could be rolled if necessary. This allows the top guys to have fun on jumps, without demoralising the lower ability drivers, allowing them to roll if necessary.

3) A suitably large enough landing area, that is not car destroying (i.e. not onto hard concrete slabs, etc etc - again newbury did well with this the majority of the time, but I thought the landing area for a very critical cross-over jump was not quite big enough. I understand that you were trying to slow the cars down for this by making it smaller, but it was easily clearable with a little more throttle on board. Again the problem lied here with that you had no option to opt out of it/roll it. The big dome jump was excellent in this regard.

4) Not having jumps that jump towards each other, with very little track seperation. This problem was mainly to do with the limited space in the hall, and trying to make enough features, but again the problem lied with the cross-over jump, and people over-jumping it, which it was easily clearable, but too close to the other jump, in front of the rostrum.

The rest of the track was ace, a real challenge. My only moan, which I stated earlier was the cross over jump.

To balance the jump/driver ability problem out, just keep the jumps in, but make them a bit 'simpler'. Those 'kickers' were ace jumps, which gave good air, but combined with the other ramps afterwards, just made it a tad too difficult for the lesser drivers.

I hope that these comments are taken on board for next time...

Nick Goodall

18-12-2007, 12:44 PM

yeh ok, 4 crossovers, big quad jump, banked corner????

What about a wall ride like they have for the Micro's at some places :cool:

I've got some ideas for another meeting, i'll talk to Andy about when we can arrange the next one but i'm thinking early Feb if possible to give everyone notice and time to get sorted after Christmas and New year!

Lee Martin

18-12-2007, 12:51 PM

you have to have down ramps.............

wat makes jumps rubbish is not having anything to aim for and down side.....

OldTimer

18-12-2007, 12:56 PM

I was just thinking a wall ride at the end of the straight would be so cool :D

rich_cree

18-12-2007, 01:13 PM

Actually, how about 6 tonnes of red clay? :D

Nick Goodall

18-12-2007, 01:16 PM

Haha yeah now you're talking :cool:

Spoke to Andy and he's thinking of trying to organise another on in Jan, maybe not as big but we should have time to get a few people pre-booked if we get on and confirm a date!

I've got loads of track plans both with and without cross-overs so i'm thinking of scanning them in and uploading Pics so people could maybe vote for a layout (say 1-5 different tracks)? Think that would be an idea??

Saves any moaning then - let the people have the choice ;)

Southwell

18-12-2007, 01:19 PM

We can always play with track layouts on Fridays too.

Nick Goodall

18-12-2007, 01:21 PM

We can always play with track layouts on Fridays too.

Unfortunately not really :-( We have to lay the track out for Touring cars and then build around it with Jumps etc so we are really limited on what we do as all the jumps have to be on the outside really

markwilliamson2001

18-12-2007, 01:26 PM

Good idea Nick, give power back to the people!

I think Pidge should think about this too... since if the voting racers had been allowed pick the National series for 2008, his track might have got picked,;) same goes for the layout at the next one...:D

My two cents...
M.

Lee Martin

18-12-2007, 01:30 PM

haha!

you never know eh mark!

Steve.T

18-12-2007, 01:31 PM

go race touring cars

A little disapointed at this remark

I had a great time on sunday despite braking a wishbone and a shock tower on the dreaded crossover.
However, I got better with practise and was quite satisfied with my result.
I do think that some more consideration could have been given to those racers who don't have the ability of the top drivers in regards to track design.
No doubt some will say go race touring cars or pactise more but I am very short sighted to the extent that my depth perception is almost useless and it is unlikely I will ever impriove beyond the abilty I am at now.

I would also like to remind people that it is racers like myself who race in the lower finals who make up the bulk of the competitors in these events and that without us the top drivers would race at very lonely halls and outdoor tracks.

Southwell

18-12-2007, 01:31 PM

Unfortunately not really :-( We have to lay the track out for Touring cars and then build around it with Jumps etc so we are really limited on what we do as all the jumps have to be on the outside really
Yeh i understand that mate, but we can still do the layouts, so we know the racing will be good., but better with jumps! :cool:

markwilliamson2001

18-12-2007, 01:33 PM

No offence Pidge,

I think your track (CML) should have been picked over one of the other tracks...it does look good, I think that a track should only be allowed two National meetings in a row, before someone else gets a turn..(Kiddy should have had no meeting this year).

BTW - I like the banked wall idea, sounds awesome!

markwilliamson2001

18-12-2007, 01:35 PM

I think Steve T has made the comment, that I have not yet dared made... (but I am with him on this one).

The majority of drivers (60-70%) are F3 or lower ability on all clubs around the country.

Lee Martin

18-12-2007, 01:39 PM

markwilliamson2001

18-12-2007, 01:45 PM

Yeah, okay Pidge, JUST NO MORE CROSSOVERS...;):)

RogerM

18-12-2007, 01:49 PM

I think the cross-over would have been great if it was just a series of jumps rather than having the cars running back under it .... I broke at least one other persons car by coming up short and my own by going too long.

I have forgotten how to jump a 2wd in the 5 years or so since I last had too ..... rallycross cars can usually just be thrown skyward .... 4wd cars barely notice the jumps on the tracks I've run on recently ... LOL

The risk and reward thing is spot on ....... but I believe the risk should be that you loose a fair chunk of time if you choose not to jump rather than be a broken car for you or another racer.

If for example the gap had been filled with some really non flowing rough stuff section, say wooden batterns at random angles under carpet (attached to a bed board so they did't move about), that would be REALLY slow to roll compared to the jump option.

That way the brave and the skilled jumpers would get their risk and reward bonus and those others would get a second or so of a lap extra on their time.

Just trying to offer a constructive suggestion!!!!

Steve.T

18-12-2007, 01:49 PM

sorry steve, its my very blunt nature to things liek this...i think we all understand about the cross over now....but jumps is different to that....take jumps out of a off road track and its just a flat or bumpy touring car track....so in tht instant race them......

like getting a bowler wildcat to race against toca touring cars......thats not what they are deisgn for and what makes them fun!

if you cannot judge the distance on normal jumps then you had the option to roll them.........

thats what i advise you do if you cannot judge the jumps etc.

but if you are a good racer then we also need a challenge...we started racing liek everyone else, to have fun...i do not have fun driving aorund a dead flat track......so i would invite lots more jumps....so its best of both worlds right?

I appriciate this comment a great deal, many thanks.
I would also like to add that one of the best things about this type of meeting is to be able to watch the top drivers race and be able to ask them advice.
Ellis Stafford was very helpful when I asked him about my X5.

This is the only sport I know where the top ability competitors are so accessable.

Lee Martin

18-12-2007, 01:49 PM

my perfect example is people like cree....

who next year is not doing 10th due to having become bored of the national tracks.

i think this is a massive loss to 10th! come back Cree!!!!

markwilliamson2001

18-12-2007, 01:52 PM

Bored, because they are always at the same damn places....? or bored because they don't have jumps...

P.S. is he doing RallyX with the RC8?

M.

frogger

18-12-2007, 01:54 PM

Next thing people are going to ask for no left turns or no slippery floors or floors that have slightly less grip because they are grip rolling. :confused:

There is no excuse for not being able to jump. Go and practise. Any new skill on the planet takes a process of learning. Learn to drive the tracks that are there, don't ask for tracks to be designed around your ability. :mad:

It takes less than a day for most very average drivers to learn to jump a car. So in the days between Christmas and New Year make a wooden ramp in your back yard and jump it!

Bad eyesight? Duncan in the Mod 18ths has some of the worst eyesight I have ever seen and he managed OK? He even says he loved the jumps. I mean the guy can't even see his computer screen from more than a foot away and he managed to clear all the jumps no problem with a micro! His sight is so bad he is currently making different coloured LED's so he can see his car and tell front from back.

Southwell

18-12-2007, 01:57 PM

The only national track thats been selected which appeals to me is Eden Park to be honist.

Lee Martin

18-12-2007, 01:59 PM

best thing is to ask him....

but im guessing both.......

yeh hes racing 8th. but is doing 10th euros!!!! as its fun, its dirt and has jumps! whoop!

markwilliamson2001

18-12-2007, 02:00 PM

frogger

18-12-2007, 02:02 PM

Nick Goodall

18-12-2007, 02:03 PM

We keep getting back to the Cross-over, at least it's provided a talking point....

We did mention it in the early stages of talking about this meeting, and i didn't see anyone query this....

The main thing we did was make sure that there was a good long carpet run up so the only problem would be jumping a bit too far - there was no reason for not making it as literally i guarantee you could clear it from a 1ft run up if you hit the power even from a standstill.

As stated numerous times now we will take on board all comments, criticism's and compliments about all parts of the track and will try and make it better next time for everyone that's racing.

I think a Ring of fire would be cool for the cross over :D

The other thing is clear to me that even with no cross-over, having jumps indoors will always lead to crashes and people over-jumping if they're not very experienced. It's all very well saying just roll the jump if you're not very good yet, but the problem there is that still takes control to go slow so you will still get crashes where people are ramping it too much or not enough etc... Indoor racing with buggy's = Jumps, Slippery sections and generally difficult tracks to master so Cross over or NO cross over a lot of this will still apply and people will still find it "tricky" but hey, its' ALL GOOD PRACTISE :D

Wraggy

18-12-2007, 02:07 PM

well i will want this crossover when i come in Jan as i never managed to make this one !!! :D

Nick Goodall

18-12-2007, 02:08 PM

RIGHT!! GLOVES OFF!!!

My problem with the cross-over jump, was that if someone jumped it short, after you have successfully cleared it, and was making it through the under part, and they took you out through absolutely no fault of your own, and ruined your race, by breaking your car...HOW WOULD YOU HAVE LIKED IT!????

I think you should go into the bottom heat with the newbies, and get taken out by them not being able to jump!

M... (runs away)

Haha but that could happen to you at other parts of any track indoors, if someone got a jump wrong or barrel rolled at high speed they can end up just about anywhere on an indoor track so i'm not sure it's purely down to being a cross-over, and as said how many people ACTUALLY had this happen to them? I didn't see much of it and i was marshalling that first heat of 4wd.

I still think no matter what you do, newbies/beginners will no doubt crash and find it hard indoors when you've got to have the slippery sections, jumps and tight corners - It's what indoor racing off road has always been like.

I don't think the results would have been much different if the track was reallllllly easy, so what's the problem (really)?? :D

Southwell

18-12-2007, 02:11 PM

I would say just have a longer run off so people can overpower it and still land ok. The people i saw either not make it or overshoot tended to be too thumb heavy on most of the track, so it wasnt just that part of the track.

Lee Martin

18-12-2007, 02:11 PM

i think cross overs are cool.....

but we wont run one next time........

we dnt wanna go through this again..i kno i spoke to some under talanted drivers and they loved it.....

i saw more people over jump than under....and didnt see anyone break there car with someone missing the clearance.....

ill watch ur race next time though mark. lol.....

frogger

18-12-2007, 02:11 PM

Seriously, how many people's cars were broken specifically by someone landing on top of them by not getting across the cross over? :confused:

Southwell

18-12-2007, 02:13 PM

Seriously, how many people's cars were broken specifically by someone landing on top of them by not getting across the cross over? :confused:

Just my hand....:D

JCJC

18-12-2007, 02:14 PM

well i will want this crossover when i come in Jan as i never managed to make this one !!! :D

Ditto, Jordan's an F4 and would handle the crossover, he has grown accustomed to jumps, we missed this one but aim to make the next one, Mick

frogger

18-12-2007, 02:14 PM

Just my hand....:D

Whuss :D :D :D

Can always get a new hand for about £5.50 but a new shock tower, that's irreplaceable :D

GRIFF55

18-12-2007, 02:18 PM

You'd have never made the crossover wraggy, it was to far for you to jump a car:p:p It was a great meeting loved every part of it apart from not clearing most jumps because of a loose slipper in two rounds:o, my own fault.
As for the crossover, perhaps the option of something like chicken wire over the top for people to roll would work?? Also mass starts like at lee's place would be good.
Roll on the next one!!!

markwilliamson2001

18-12-2007, 02:19 PM

It didn't happen to me, but I saw lots of (sharp intake of breath) nearly's in the lower heats, I thought you were lucky this didnt happen....

Glad you have taken these comments on board guys.

I really appreciate it.

Mark

Southwell

18-12-2007, 02:21 PM

Mash Potato

18-12-2007, 02:21 PM

[quote=GRIFF55;78209]As for the crossover, perhaps the option of something like chicken wire over the top for people to roll would work??[quote]
Sound like a good idea to me. I liked he crossover, but at least this way you can keep it and please those that did not like it.

Wraggy

18-12-2007, 02:22 PM

You'd have never made the crossover wraggy, it was to far for you to jump a car:p:p !!

Cheeky Ba$*%$d ... i would of cleared the hall though probably !!!!!! lol :D

GRIFF55

18-12-2007, 02:23 PM

Cheeky Ba$*%$d ... i would of cleared the hall though probably !!!!!! lol :D
And had the most hangtime ever off the netting that covered the track!!!

Lee Martin

18-12-2007, 02:24 PM

Nick Goodall

18-12-2007, 02:29 PM

Haha demolition derby style!!

We'll sort something out for next time, the big table top could probably be modified so that you could drive straight under it but then as Lee said there's then the problem that if someone gets stuck you'll be there for ages! Other possible option would be to have no landing ramp and a much larger area to land in but as i've said i still think you'll get problems for Newbies & Beginners with any sort of jumps indoors as it wasn't just the cross over i saw people crashing on, most of the crashes were on all the other sections lol

B&H Racing

18-12-2007, 02:32 PM

I think it would be a shame not to have a crossover I think it was one of the main reasons the track was so special.

Maybe a poll is in order for people that raced on Sun ?

markwilliamson2001

18-12-2007, 02:34 PM

I think Nick has got the idea here...

Andy was right when he said this would be a talking point!!!

Wraggy - wot a legend...

c0sie

18-12-2007, 02:35 PM

I think we should start a 'keep the cross-over' campaign!

Seriously though, Rich/Pidge keep doing what you do best fellas...the track at Newbury was ace, and your ideas for future jumps and bumps sound brilliant in my opinion.

As far as 'wall rides like the micros use' check out the UKMicroX site, we got a tonne of pics that might be able to help you in some way??

Roll on MK GP 2008!

_JP_

18-12-2007, 02:37 PM

only prob with that is its so low that if you did crash under it ALOT of time would be lost.......

unfortunatly its looking like we wont have another. so im glad the people that got a go on it likes it!!!

lets just put one of them do or die cross overs in...the ones without the jumps!! muahahahahha

How come no other one?

I reckon we should just camp at yours for a week and practice jumping on your track I got 2 weeks off after tomorrow :)

Lee Martin

18-12-2007, 02:38 PM

wat about the wall at CML...get tht in there! LMAO!!!

Cosie, Nick is a massive part of the track design...he deserves alot of thanks...myself and nick spear headed the operation and invited ideas from others.....

frogger

18-12-2007, 02:49 PM

unfortunatly its looking like we wont have another.

Don't be so easily intimidated Lee :)

It was a brilliant feature and should stay. People were surprised by it and as it forced us all to have a go we were put out of our comfort zone but if gyus like you don't keep pushing progress then we still won't have anything interesting 10 years from now.

Stand by it and keep it in! :D

c0sie

18-12-2007, 02:49 PM

My bad, im poor with all these new names lol
Sorry Nick!
But yes..flat track is for pussys..jumps all the way :)

Chris Green

18-12-2007, 02:58 PM

I think the crossover needs to stay too.

This was my first attempt at a big 10th scale event, and I loved the jumps. I would have hated a flat carpet track.

Nick Goodall

18-12-2007, 03:00 PM

It's all good people, i'm not offended :D Lee and i talked about tracks a lot before and hoped that with the racing we've both done over the years and not to mention the international tracks we've been to (Lee more then me) we hoped we should be able to come up with something people liked, or at least talked about for a while and i think we've succeeded on both counts to a degree.

All we can promise is that we will make sure the track for next time is BETTER whether it has or hasn't got a cross-over, it will be better (you have our word). :cool:

markwilliamson2001

18-12-2007, 03:01 PM

Nick - You DA MAN!

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c0sie

18-12-2007, 03:11 PM

I think you should be proud really. The track layout you guys put out has got SOO many people talking and soo many people damnding more track layouts like it!
It can only be a positive thing, especially around 'our neck of the woods' where there isnt a huge amount of easily accessable 10th meets be it indoor or outdoor.

Big pat on the back for you all

David Church

18-12-2007, 04:22 PM

I cant believe how many people are crying about the crossover!!!!!
Get over it you cry babies, its wasnt hard at all!!!!!!:o

antnee

18-12-2007, 04:24 PM

I would need to be something like a wire grid or possibly even tough perspex? It would be difficult to get something reasonably see through, yet strong enough to handle someone standing on it on a span that wide.
reading this topic, I thought of some sort of net, (like criket nets or hall dividers) but i think chicken wire would be fine

If you built a wooden frame, the width of the up and down ramp and long enough to cover the track, then brace it like X or +, it should be plenty strong enough, cars car roll if needed to plus you can see through it!

c0sie

18-12-2007, 04:34 PM

Perspex is freaking expensive :(

JCJC

18-12-2007, 04:48 PM

I would need to be something like a wire grid or possibly even tough perspex? It would be difficult to get something reasonably see through, yet strong enough to handle someone standing on it on a span that wide.

reading this topic, I thought of some sort of net, (like criket nets or hall dividers) but i think chicken wire would be fine

If you built a wooden frame, the width of the up and down ramp and long enough to cover the track, then brace it like X or +, it should be plenty strong enough, cars car roll if needed to plus you can see through it!

Someone will stand or fall on it, marshals would need to be equiped with a pole to get out any cars under ! What width are we talking about ?

sosidge

18-12-2007, 04:57 PM

Nick Goodall

18-12-2007, 05:20 PM

Disclaimer first of all - I wasn't at the race meeting and I didn't see the track.

BUT dismiss the concerns of the people who found the open crossover difficult at your peril!

The real art of building a track is to make it straightforward for a beginner to get around, while also being challenging for a good driver.

It should NEVER be challenging for a good driver, but IMPOSSIBLE for a beginner.

That means half of the racers on the day are not having fun. And if people don't have fun they won't come back.

Rhythm sections, well spaced triples etc are easy to navigate at low speed but can also be taken at high speed by skilled drivers. Things like a crossover can never be taken at low speed. And don't forget that people have to marshal safely too.

Basically, if you couldn't get around the track with a box-stock Tamiya Hornet you have the wrong layout!

Haha completely disagree with you there mate.

A Tamiya Hornet would struggle to get round most of the decent off road tracks! The Cross over had a kicker jump which honestly required hardly any speed to make it at all - i agree the standard speed of a Tamiya Hornet would make it, but whether the suspension would is another point....

Marshalling was not an issue any more then it ever is where there are jumps - you can't help that.

I think 98% of racers enjoyed it as you can tell by comments here including some electric virgins, most people seemed to like it.

MK Racing

18-12-2007, 05:38 PM

First of, I would like Andy, Lee, Nick, Rob & the rest of the Newbury team for making this event happen.
Also I would like to thank all the racers who turned up to race, some traveling for over 3 hours in the morning!!!
My view on the track was that it was coooool, being a 1/8th racer I felt at home with the jumps, the current UK electric tracks are the main reason that I gave up electric racing many years ago, but jumps are the future :D

Basically, if you couldn't get around the track with a box-stock Tamiya Hornet you have the wrong layout!
I take it that this coment is a joke? I would love to see Lee or Nick run a Hornet round, bet it would surpise a few people :eh?: Having raced a Hornet at the Tamiya meeting back in the 80's I recon it would have got round the track fine. I had some customers enter this meeting who were complete newbee's who had never raced before, they enjoyed it & loved the jumps.

Regarding the crossover, you need things to test your skills, yes I agree that if you jumped short you could have wrecked someone's run if you landed on them, but it was very easy to clear as Showtime proved:p but agreed that the run off on this could have been a few feet longer to allow you to overjump & not crash in to the track marker. At the end of the day this was our 1st big meeting & we knew that we would not get it 100% correct the 1st time.

We will take on all the comments for the next track, but big air is the future!!

Marc
MK Racing

Elliott Hopkins

18-12-2007, 05:44 PM

This plebby new(ish)bie had a poor day, but still loved the crossover. It reminded me of Dukes of Hazard or those Matchbox car runs you could get when I was younger.

My more sensible point was that I could do the crossover with only a quarter throttle and no run up, in fact a 1/4 throttle gave me a perfect landing on the other side everytime.

I did however come off the side a couple of times.

Elliott.

RogerM

18-12-2007, 05:59 PM

How many people's car's were broken by newbies coming up short and landing on their cars on Sunday?

I broke at least one persons car badly enough to put them out of the race by coming up short ........ after 20 years racing and was an F2 last time I raced 1/10th nationals!!

New car, new type of motor, 5 years away from 2wd of any type ...

I can't remember the last time I drove a 1/10th buggy on a track where you had to lad a down ramp ...... 2001 maybe something like that.

You know I have respect for you carl after all the info you given me for the Exotek but please, chill buddy.

Southwell

18-12-2007, 06:10 PM

Someone will stand or fall on it, marshals would need to be equiped with a pole to get out any cars under ! What width are we talking about ?

Well yeah, i don't think its fiesable to be honist. It's just going to be too low. I would just say put a bigger run off down and leave it at that. You need practically no power to jump it anyway....

mobile chicane

18-12-2007, 06:14 PM

yeh ok, 4 crossovers, big quad jump, banked corner????

banked corner COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL :D:D:D:D:D:o:wtf::eh?:

ryan

18-12-2007, 06:37 PM

I've spent the past 20mins reading all the comments on the track and the dumbed 'dreaded crossover'......
Well I have a few reply's to them.

I only came into racing at the begining to last year and was guided by lee martin. I learnt after a short time with the help of a stock motor that i could go quicker round the tracks than i could with my modified. So, I moved to 19t 15t and 14turn motors and I started achiving the same results and over the two years i have been getting quicker the more i race i.e.practising.

Wat im saying is that no matter how many crossovers or big jumps you have it all boils down to one thing..... 'practice'.
If you cant do them well.... then do them slower untill you get them right.
I saw that people were simply planting the power down so they would over shoot the jump or crossover. For those who did not make it then you simply did not have enough power applied and it didnt take much to get across. Its the same with corners you slw down to go around some and some you dont. we all learn that so with jumps if it is agresive then you slow down so you dont jump as far.

And as for the question of if you fell short and hit a car going underneath on the crossover then you have to think about all the usual everyday what ifs. If i got a corner wrong and went over the piping i might hit some one. when i crash i could enter the wrong end of the main strait and wip out the leaders. theres always wat ifs and risks, but thats racing look at the american tracks. Do we here them complaining?

I understand all the peoples concerns and i enjoy the atmosphere when people are there if you are struggling then there maybe something you are doing wrong.
Dont sit there behind your keyboards and start moaning. Come speak to someone who can manage a certain jump or corner and im sure they will help as the hobby is all about the community that is brought together in that one meeting.

Trish

ginger fixit

18-12-2007, 06:41 PM

guys

look i was watching from race control i would say for 95% of the day and i only saw 1 person cause a crash by not making the cross over and he had been hit on the kicker by another car.

the cross over will stay as will the table top possibly a bit bigger next time but guys get used to it we wil give a bit more room to land but i love the cross it looked ace to watch.
and i for 1 want racing at newbury to be memerable and leave you guys wanting more we will be running the cross over on our club nights so COME AND PRACTICE from time to time.

lee nick and tristan designed the best indoor track ive seen in ages.

i mean all the kickers worked they wernt just a flat piece of wood come on we need to get this type of racing in the uk places like cml and stotfold have bigger jumps and a wall of death (cml) and we all mange to do it shit it was hard at first but now we all do it full thottle.

CROSS OVER STAYS

thats it my final work if thats a bit strong then i appologise in advance but guys the offroad section of rc is about fun and pushing our selves and our cars to the limit not talking about how fast they went around a flat track jumps rule ok.

thanks Andy :mad: Bell (glad thats off my chest:))

ginger fixit

18-12-2007, 06:42 PM

thanks:)

GRIFF55

18-12-2007, 06:45 PM

Dont sit there behind your keyboards and start moaning. Come speak to someone who can manage a certain jump or corner and im sure they will help as the hobby is all about the community that is brought together in that one meeting.
Trish[/quote]

I just said the same to my mate Trish, if you have any probs with anything at a race meeting, don't be afraid to ask someone with more experience, i do!!
Problems with handling, jumps, electrics whatever, i'm sure all would advise and help

showtime

18-12-2007, 06:45 PM

the crossover was spot on & like Marc said, even i got over it allright :rolleyes:

all the jumps were do-able with a couple of feet runup & having downramps as well took all of the impact away from your car when you timed them right ;)

i thought the difficulty level of the track was bang on the money
you try a bit harder & you go a bit better ;)
even i got better by the end of the day & i'm about as useless as you can get with a 2wd buggy!
the jumps were no problem at all, for me it was throttle/steering balance on the different surfaces :rolleyes:

another definite YES vote to keep the crossover!

nowadays people seem to want jumps! (i know i do) and you've only got to look at the DXR events to see how popular Supercross style meetings have become in 8th!

people are even throwing tantrums because thet can't get in :o

RogerM

18-12-2007, 06:54 PM

Well yeah, i don't think its fiesable to be honist. It's just going to be too low. I would just say put a bigger run off down and leave it at that. You need practically no power to jump it anyway....

Ian, a longer section after the down would stop the problems with coming up short due to people trying to land the down ramp on the brakes (to make up for having none) to make the corner.
It however wouldn't solve the problem of having no way out if you couldn't jump it for some reason (haivng to swerve to avoid a car having it's own accident or just given up the ghost for example).

I like the idea of distance jumping giving a bonus in lap times as I've said but still believe that you should be able to roll any feature.

In 2006 at the Great Yarmouth national they had a series of dips which were basically just 3 JCB scoops out of the ground about 0.5m apart. Now there was no problem driving them if you could get a decent entry and carry speed but if you got stuck, most often because somebody had cocked up the entry and ended up on their roof you got stuck in them as you could drive out of them from a standstill.
Marshals got hurt, engines cut, cars got broken and tempers more so. The track was basically good apart from that one feature but it was enough to pee off quite a few people!!!!

Difficult features are cool ..... jumps are cool .... flat tracks are dull agree with all that 100%. Equally features that can't be rolled cause marshalling problems, broken cars, broken spirits and people have crappy days .. some times there last ever day racing!!!

As for the people saying "practice practice practice" they are dead right ..... but where???? Only track I can think of that has the sort of features you can practice jumping on is CML raceway. Lee and Nick seem to be the only people (as far as I know ... maybe wrong ..... actually I am .. just read the Worksop thread ..... why nobody in the west mids though :( ) putting big jumps indoors. It's great to say build jumps at home but that only works if you have a garden to build on in ..... I couldn't even build a decent jump in my garden for my micro ... swing a cat ..... no .. maybe one of it's fleas!!

I suggest those needing the jumping practice badger Lee to open up CML Raceway in the new year for some fun ..... I have ;)
You lads local to CML don't realise how lucky you are .... or indeed how much advantage you have over some of us on these sort of tracks!!!

Most people building temporary tracks think a jump is a bit of flat plywood 6" off the ground ... doesn't really help. I agree this is more than a bit pants....

Lee and Nick have been very understanding and thoughtful about the comments we have all made, they have assured us that the next track will be the best ever (and I believe it) so can we please move on. I would hate to think that my comments, or anybody elses, would stop Lee and Nick building an interesting track .... I know that will never happen so am not really worried. All people have asked is that it is safe for marshals, drivable (if a little slow lapping) for less practiced "feature" drivers .. no matter how much racing experience they have and fun for all. That is what I am sure we'll get next time.

Consider me pre-booked for all future meetings ..... even after the most sh17 days racing in a long long time.

:)

MK Racing

18-12-2007, 07:22 PM

Roger,

I would not say that Nick & Lee have been "cold" about the comments given, they worked very hard on Saturday building the track, they were not paid to do this, they did it for FREE, so giving them a hard time is out of order.

I would say that 95% of the racers who attended the meeting were happy with the layout & will be back for the meetings in 2008.

As in my other post, you can not build a track to suit every one, we wanted this meeting to be differant & that is why we had a track with jumps.

If you just have a jump that you have land hard on a flat surface this will unsettle the car, that is why we had spaced jumps so you could hop/roll or jump both & land on the down of the 2nd.

I feel that the crossover needs to be a feature in the next track & im sure that Lee, Nick or any other top drives will give tips to the lesser drivers if asked on how to jump it.

Marc
MK Racing

c0sie

18-12-2007, 07:26 PM

RogerM

18-12-2007, 07:35 PM

I'll edit "cool" as I meant it in a fonzie sort of way not a disinterested sort of way.....

I know what your saying Mark. As for jumping I like you left 1/10th a few years ago to go 1/8th rallycross to get more airtime so know what you mean there too!!! I'm normally pretty good on jumps, didn't miss the lander on the table top at Craig Harris's meeting the week before once .... but if I had there was sufficient space to get the car pointing in the right direction before the corner anyway but you were punished as the following 180deg corner was on slippy stuff.

It's not the juming I object to, not at all ... must not have been very clear in the previous comments .... it's having no choice but to.

Here is a question for you ...... the quickest thing to do would be to have just dropped of the upper left handed and miss out the whole section of the track. Now if anybody had tried that you'd have had to penalise them for corner cutting but they would have a valid argument that they couldn't make the jump with confidence so took the only alternative they had ..... does that make sense????? Does that make my point clearer???

Far from slagging off the crew I've tried to praise them for their efforts, promised to attend the next meetings and contacted both Lee and Andy via PM about getting some jumping practice at their respective venues ..... hardly a vote of no-confidence.

I hope that clears up my point of view a little ..... off to edit that post.

_JP_

18-12-2007, 07:39 PM

RogerM

18-12-2007, 07:40 PM

Maybe its peoples perceptions of the current flat racing that is the issue here?

Maybe so many people are used to small jumps..and have never had experience of such big jumps?

You'd like to hope that atleast one person went away from the event having never tackled a big jump or crazy cross over before..drooling at the thought of doing it again :)

Embrace new directions..jumps are the way forwards...or upwards in this case :)

Chris ....... your right with the first and second point for sure .... can you imagine those sort of jumps at Gloucester or Dudley?? Your also correct about the third point but don't dismiss the fact there will probalby be a similar number going away thinking "had a crap day .... never going there again" ..... which would be a hell of a shame when you consider how good the rest of the track was.

As for you closing remark ... totally.

_JP_

18-12-2007, 07:44 PM

BIG jumps, did I miss somthing they were all small, ok the table top was big :)

Now proline thats what I called BIG jumps, ha that was awesome to race on and an experience I enjoyed, hard but again get it right and it was awesome!
Pitty I wont be racing again there, but thats nothing to do with DXR or the track, just a long story.........

Maybe its peoples perceptions of the current flat racing that is the issue here?

Maybe so many people are used to small jumps..and have never had experience of such big jumps?

You'd like to hope that atleast one person went away from the event having never tackled a big jump or crazy cross over before..drooling at the thought of doing it again :)

Embrace new directions..jumps are the way forwards...or upwards in this case :)

RogerM

18-12-2007, 07:51 PM

Roger, if you get the 8th out you could practice at Frankley I know they have jumps :) not sure how "electric friendly" frankley is. I suppose I could get my Hongnor out again!

As much as I don't really enjoy the 8th, you have to say one thing the tracks are good and fun with jumps, were supposed to be OFF ROAD racers and the amount of tracks I have been to that are flat is shocking.

Guys it don't matter how good a track you design or make some one will moan and not like it.

JP ... exactly why I went 8th in the first place!!! Main reason I have gone back to electric is that without a pit buddy it's damn hard work and more like a job than a fun days racing!
Jumping a gasser and an electric buggy are different things though, react so diffrently to throttle in the air and snapping the throttle on the kicker!

JP also loved the Harper Adams tracks .... even if the one I raced at put me in hospital for 3 days due to fumes :o

Think of our 1/10th outdoor tracks (please note ... for reference not a dig in any way ....)

Dudley (flat grass),

Worcester (flat grass with a few features),

Telford Hot Tracks (flat grass on a bank),

Telford MMC (anything but flat grass but still not air time),

Kiddy (loads of surface changes and features but if you get more than a couple of inches under your tires you in big doo-doo),

Oswestry (flat grass mainly),

Stoke (flat grass),

Coventry (astro with a pair of doubles usually in the middle of a straight section towards or away from the rostrum at about 90degs) and so on.....

Now that list may be out of date by a couple of years ... you'll no doubt correct me if I'm wrong JP.

And before any of the members of the above clubs linch me I must point out I have had brilliant days at all of them over the years and I also understand the grief building good jumps into temp tracks is ... have helped run an indoor club in the past. Taking all the stuff to and from an event is a nighmare ... even before you consider storing it all between meetings and the fact that only about 2 people ever seem to show up / stay behind to help!!!!

Thinking about all my fav off-road tracks

Batley, Bury Metro, Stotfold (ok Kiddy still makes me smile loads too)

almost enough to make me want to move house to be in a different region!

The boys tup-norf and south mids / south east don't know our pain .... LOL

I have a plan ... why don't we kidnap Pidge and Nick make them build us a track too :o:D:p

bert digler

18-12-2007, 07:58 PM

JP ... exactly why I went 8th in the first place!!! Main reason I have gone back to electric is that without a pit buddy it's damn hard work and more like a job than a fun days racing!
Jumping a gasser and an electric buggy are different things though, react so diffrently to throttle in the air and snapping the throttle on the kicker!

JP also loved the Harper Adams tracks .... even if the one I raced at put me in hospital for 3 days due to fumes :o

Think of our 1/10th outdoor tracks (please note ... for reference not a dig in any way ....)

Dudley (flat grass),

Worcester (flat grass with a few features),

Telford Hot Tracks (flat grass on a bank),

Telford MMC (anything but flat grass but still not air time),

Kiddy (loads of surface changes and features but if you get more than a couple of inches under your tires you in big doo-doo),

Oswestry (flat grass mainly),

Stoke (flat grass),

Coventry (astro with a pair of doubles usually in the middle of a straight section towards or away from the rostrum at about 90degs) and so on.....

Now that list may be out of date by a couple of years ... you'll no doubt correct me if I'm wrong JP.

Thinking about all my fav off-road tracks

Batley, Bury Metro, Stotfold (ok Kiddy still makes me smile loads too)

almost enough to make me want to move house to be in a different region!

The boys tup-norf and south mids / south east don't know our pain .... LOL

I have a plan ... why don't we kidnap Pidge and make him build us a track too :o:D:p

roger u made a point of telford hotrax being flat do you have a strange concept of flat i heard it being compared to the surface of the moon and when its hot humid you get chewed up by them midges:wtf:

MK Racing

18-12-2007, 08:03 PM

Roger,

I do get your point about the cross over, In practice I got it wrong & landed to the left of the down ramp missing a whole section of track out, but that is what the practice run is for, to find out how much power to give it on the approach to the jump. The slipery corner coming onto the crossover had no affect on the jump as you only had to roll onto the up ramp & give it a bit of throttle to clear & land on the down ramp. As I said before, I had customers at the meeting who had not raced before, we gave them advice on jumping, they took the advice, went out for there next run & hey presto, made the jump!!!

If you missed the jump & carried on cutting the track that would have been up to you. Crossovers are something differant, you cant have them at national for the reasons you pointed out, but this was not a national, it was a "fun" meeting.

I want to keep the crossover for the next meeting as per my previous post, but it will be in a differant part of the track & not just after the loop & will have a few feet more run off incase you over jump. But if more than 25% of the drivers who enter don't want it, then we may take the desision not to include it.

At the end of the day, it is all about fun & trying something differant :D

Marc

tyreman

18-12-2007, 08:27 PM

I really enjoyed the track on Sunday very challenging, which is why I have not put a post up before now.
The only input I would like to put forward is maybe give an extra 1-2 foot runoff from the downslope of the double jumps, other than that the track was absolutley fine.

Most of the people who have in more than 1 post, critacised the features of the track are generally the ones who can't be arsed to give up a few hours to help with the layout/building of a track.

I understand why Lee and Nick have started to become more and more defensive over comments, as it really annoyed me when I gave up 2 days to help setup a track for one of the midwest regionals, only for dads who don't even race to start trying to pick faults, and demanding to have the track changed, if thats how they feel where were they when we asked for help.

So I totally agree with Nick and Lee's perspective.

tyreman

18-12-2007, 08:33 PM

Dudley (flat grass),

Worcester (flat grass with a few features), No longer running

Telford Hot Tracks (flat grass on a bank), Not been there for 2-3 years

Telford MMC (anything but flat grass but still not air time), Again not been there this year

Kiddy (loads of surface changes and features but if you get more than a couple of inches under your tires you in big doo-doo),

Oswestry (flat grass mainly),

Stoke (flat grass), Unable to do too much with the track surface as it's not there ground

Coventry (astro with a pair of doubles usually in the middle of a straight section towards or away from the rostrum at about 90degs) and so on.....
With the exception of the 4 winter series meetings regionals and BRCA meeting are run on the grass track

Now that list may be out of date by a couple of years ... you'll no doubt correct me if I'm wrong JP.

And before any of the members of the above clubs linch me I must point out I have had brilliant days at all of them over the years and I also understand the grief building good jumps into temp tracks is ... have helped run an indoor club in the past. Taking all the stuff to and from an event is a nighmare ... even before you consider storing it all between meetings and the fact that only about 2 people ever seem to show up / stay behind to help!!!!

Thinking about all my fav off-road tracks

Batley, Bury Metro, Stotfold (ok Kiddy still makes me smile loads too)

almost enough to make me want to move house to be in a different region!

The boys tup-norf and south mids / south east don't know our pain .... LOL

I have a plan ... why don't we kidnap Pidge and Nick make them build us a track too :o:D:p

Please see above ammendments

markwilliamson2001

18-12-2007, 08:33 PM

Just to finish off from previous posts...

I thought the track 99% was excellent. I have been to sooo many meetings where the jumps were just chucked in with no thought, this one was NOT like that at all.

Andy and Team - Do another meeting, this was great 9.5/10 I am sure that it will be well attended. My only problem is not racing often enough, and with no tracks with real jumps that test the driver. They are mainly ramps/flat wood at an angle. You guys close to CML are really lucky. I am at least 45 minutes drive from any local 10th electric club, so do not race as often as I could, thus meaning I do not get the practice on tracks like this.

All the jumps at the MKGP could be seen for entry and landing (so you are not driving blind). They were also positioned well enough so that no jumping caused you to land on the start/finish straight (I have seen this too many times). The cross over was excellent in that it was not a 'tunnel' so again you didn't have to drive it blind (again I have seen stupid ideas like this at numerous meetings). 3 out of the 4 jumps you had the option to roll over should you wish to cop out on. No jumps were placed right on a corner (remember the Tivvy National a few years back??) The track markers were good (non-damaging) and the jumps materials themselves did not do any damage to any of the cars that I saw racing. The mix of grip was excellent and the straight was also long enough to open up our cars on.

My only point was that you could not roll the crossover, which caused me and a few others to jump a little too far, to make sure we got over it. We then collided gently with the track marker. This sometimes caused the plastic barrier (in the landing area) to move into the other jump's landing area. I only mentioned these things because they had the 'possibility' to ruin someone elses race! I am sure that the guys will take our comments on board for next time and it will be positioned a little better. For you first real big meeting it was superb. My thanks go out to your efforts on the meeting. Without the jumps, it would have been a flat, boring car track! I will also bring my coat!:o

Thanks guys for an interesting day.
Mark

frogger

18-12-2007, 09:00 PM

guys
CROSS OVER STAYS

Best thing I've heard all day!!! :D :D :D

RogerM

18-12-2007, 09:08 PM

Cheers Brian for setting me straight .... I knew somebody would!!! 3 years is a long time it would seem!!!

Do any of the venues now have jumps with full take off and landing slopes? I do hope they do.

I do hope the comment about not being bothered wasn't aimed at me Brian. I'd really like to get involved with a local club, I wish there was one! I've been looking for some ground to build a track but it is very hard to find anything around this way .... if it's more than 3 foot square they seem to build a house on it!!! I have heard that the Ledbury club is going to build a 1/10th off-road track and would be more than happy to offer them some help as that would be my closest club ..... only about 30 miles away according to route finder!!

Dert ..... I know what you mean, does cut up a little :) ... what I was trying to say was they don't have much in the way of true take off - landing slope type jumps there.

rob8246

18-12-2007, 09:17 PM

Mark, thanks for the 9.5/10 score mate its much appreciated.;)

Myself and i'm sure most of the organisation team are getting tired now of the constant grizzling on this thread regarding the track layout. :mad:

A lot of people put their time into making this event happen.

Once again I would like to thank all the drivers who have given us positive feedback and i can assure you that the next meeting/s that we host will be bigger and better than the 1st!!

Oh, that means 2 cross-overs probably. LOL :D

Keep looking as details for the next event will be released very soon.

RR.

RogerM

18-12-2007, 09:37 PM

As Nick (I think it was Nick anyway) suggested why not post up a few track designs, or at least the final one.
That way people could make up their minds before they go or indeed if they want to go at all. Would probably save a similar thread.

Just a suggestion......

As I have said before thanks for running a great meeting ..... for a 1st meeting I think the organisation was really good ..... seen many more experienced organisation teams make a major mush of it all. Shame about the timing issue but you did seem to be working really hard at that all day. Even with that the meeting flowed beautifully, for that you should all be very proud of your efforts.

I'll definately be back for the next ones ..... (With a bag of spares and body armour for marshalling of course .. :) )

tyreman

18-12-2007, 10:13 PM

AmiSMB

18-12-2007, 11:14 PM

I really enjoyed the track and returning back to some electric action. I used to race a Cat XLS and most of the races I did were flat and not what you would call proper offroad, in fact the only offroad action was at Rock Park in Barnstaple on some flat grass!

I have been racing 1/8th RallyCross for the past 3 years and have really enjoyed the racing and the technical jumps especially as I am lucky enough to live close to the Clanfield track. I have never ran my electric cars over such great jumps as I did on Sunday. I thought that I was not going to do well as I tried my old Cat around Clanfield in October and got a great surprise as I did not know how to jump as I was so used to nitro. I can now see how the jumps will help me improve in both 1/10th and 1/8th. I have no electric clubs near me so I drive 1 and a half hours to race at Newbury which has been getting better and better now that more offroaders have joined lateley.

I think that you will find if you do a search for videos on YouTube that you will find many people will get a model car and the first thing they will try to do is the biggest jump that they can to have some fun. Technology in these small cars has moved on so much that they can take alot more these days, my poor old Graupner Garbo, Kyosho Burns, Optima, Optima Mid, PB Maxima certainly would not last very long compared to the latest entry cars that are being sold today so the tracks should move with the times as well. So the more jumps the merrier is what I say. If you want some practise with a jump then go down to Argos and they do a kiddies skate board ramp which is perfect. I put one on my birthday list and my wife kindly got one for me.

At most races there are great people who are so willing to help out others no matter what experience level that it is this that will keep people coming back for more.

RogerM

19-12-2007, 12:28 AM

Brian, cool ... best get on the phone to Doug and see what I can do to help then!!

ginger fixit

19-12-2007, 07:38 AM

GUYS

COME ON THATS ENOUGH

we are going to give people an option if you dont want to jump then dont come.
Roger M i wont be expecting to see an entry next time as you have a big problem with taking a risk and most of us love to

see you all in the new year i hope lets leave this thread alone now we at newbury have had enough of being moaned at.

i raced 1/8th at south end and i hate the track it destroyed my cars many times over the 2 years i went there but i would never have asked them to change a feature because i couldnt do it, my god 3A racway had a double that put you on the straight if you hit in wrong no body asked them to change that.

to be honest we will build an ace track just come and enjoy it there is nothing like this in the south so please take it for what it is a good days racing and stop trying to tell us what needs changing.

if you can do better then please do i will come and race with you and break my car, but that is not the cars fault or the track its mine cos im rubbish i hope i have made my opinion known.

Andy Bell (fed up race controller):wtf:

c0sie

19-12-2007, 08:38 AM

Dont get fed up champ, we love ya really!!

Cris

(Cya next time :))

Lee Martin

19-12-2007, 09:35 AM

keep going with it....i love the banter...makes my work day go quicker!!!!

Wraggy

19-12-2007, 09:44 AM

keep going with it....i love the banter...makes my work day go quicker!!!!
only because your bored sitting at your desk !!!!! :D:p
will see if i can find some amusment for you .

Chris Green

19-12-2007, 10:58 AM

Andy, please don't get disheartened. I LOVED the track, as did all the hereford guys.

I'd enter again, just to race the same track. There obviously aren't enough jumps in 10th off-road, as there seems to be so many people that aren't used to them. keep them coming, and you can set the standard!

(Cris, Carl (Frogger) etc, I think us micro guys have been spoilt with our jumps in the micro scene!!!)

wezzer

19-12-2007, 12:24 PM

well i rekon the cross over was crap !!!:o:eh?:
but only if you are a pleb that doesnt do off road.:rolleyes: ( smileys ,,, look i am joking , haha !!!)
i struggled to string laps together all day ( pleb) BUT surely thats all part of it ? getting the timing right was a major part of it and as said before ( alot ) you aint gonna learn if you dont do meetings like this !
i just wanna say from my point of view it was ace, it was like a mini DXR track for lecy's
just missing the dirt:D
any ideas how many square feet the hall was , including the outer perimmiter and the pitting area !!!
got to figure out how to raise enough cash to sort a unit and fill it full of dirt :o
keep up the good work andy nik pidge and ANYONE who had anything wot so ever to do with organizing the best indoor electric meet i have ever attended
cant wait for the next installment !!!!!!

PaulRotheram

19-12-2007, 12:27 PM

Any one got any pics from the meeting? it sounded like a good one from what i've been told!

If the club wishes this thread to be closed drop myself or Jimmy a pm.

Lee Martin

19-12-2007, 12:28 PM

na, keep it alive paul...

c0sie

19-12-2007, 12:48 PM

Why would they want it closed Paul when we're all toasting this event as freaking amazing?

*baffle*

PaulRotheram

19-12-2007, 12:50 PM

theyve already said they were unhappy with the negativity some people have given it.. i only said it for an option.. didnt mean it in a bad way! ;)

cmon then, pics?! :p

AmiSMB

19-12-2007, 12:54 PM

No keep the thread open as it is great to hear people talking and being excited again about racing. Negative or positive comments, bring it on.

Nick Goodall

19-12-2007, 12:56 PM

Paul there's a few pics on this thread, around page 18 i think lol

Rich Cree also posted a video!

JCJC

19-12-2007, 01:35 PM

Paul there's a few pics on this thread, around page 18 i think lol

Rich Cree also posted a video!

Don't listen to him, go to page 16:):)

Close this thread.........deserves it own forum ! do you guys do any work?:rolleyes:

c0sie

19-12-2007, 02:09 PM

I try not too...lol

rob8246

19-12-2007, 04:57 PM

With nearly 500 replies and 10,000 views on this thread i rekon we may have just renewed interest in 1/10th off road!!

Oh, with jumps. :D

Newbury RC Club, it's the future.

RR

showtime

19-12-2007, 06:22 PM

i'd be more than happy to go back & race the exact same layout again :D

easier than learning a new track ;)

people now know what to expect so let them vote with their entrys

i reckon you'll have even more wanting to do the next one :D

c0sie

19-12-2007, 07:09 PM

'Can we have the cross-over and a wall ride next time please' petition :)

rowley

19-12-2007, 07:12 PM

From what I have seen, I am sorry I missed it......

Bugger.....

mobile chicane

19-12-2007, 07:45 PM

I mucked up the x over a couple of times but only due to over exouberance, the jumps are ace and the cross over should stay, we will be looking at refining it maybe a longer exit or posibly reinforcing the track markers / bariers which may be knocked out of place with sand filled fire hose betwnn 2 barriers, the track lay out with the straight at the back and the tecnical stuff at the front is to me a great idea ( and one which I sugested when we built the track ;) )

if anyone has any spare primafelt carpet let us know ta

And andy aka ginger fixit can shout all he likes without his efforts, comitment, and large investment this event and more importantly newbury rc club would never be.

Well done andy