A couple more 'Dave' parts

[gixxer]

ive been busy again making some more bits first up is some s130 stainless king pins with a m3 thread on, was asked to make em up and will be tested soon, next up is some ally diff drive thingys i knocked a few of these up and made 2 titianium ones too for that extra bit of bling hope you guys like :)

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz310/gixxer88/kids259.jpg

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz310/gixxer88/kids258.jpg

[stegger]

Those hub carriers are nice :drool:

[westie]

Nice job!

[gixxer]

thank you, once the hub carriers are tested they will also be for sale at a bargain price :) not sure how much yet, whats the input from you guys?? they are only worth what people are willing to pay for them!! but no p1ss takes want to know if they are worth making

cheers john

[bald eagle]

Hub carriers do indeed look great, a lovely job. Can you tell us what is the weight difference between the machined part and the stock part? As we all know, rotating mass has an influence on speed and indeed handling. :confused:

[stevo16v]

could you machine more slots in so they take different types of wheels ,they look ace ,il be after one off u

[stevemardave]

i love to try the king pins what a good idea be able to adjust spring tension which i could help front end from lifting.:thumbsup: will the m3 nut hit the wheel ?

[stegger]

could you machine more slots in so they take different types of wheels ,they look ace ,il be after one off u
Yeh +1 on this because there's loads of wheels that people could use after moving from the older drive shaft to the diff ;)
The other good thing would be on the other side of the drive shaft if you could make the locking piece for the opposite wheel ;)

[gixxer]

could you machine more slots in so they take different types of wheels ,they look ace ,il be after one off u


yes i can put as many slots in as you like (within reason) :)

bald eagle- the weight difference isnt that much, ill have to find some scales to weigh them but the ally ones are obv heavier, could machine more off them to save more weight no problem!! these are almost an exact copy of the plastic part, i made them because a few at the local club had the plastic ones melt

thanks for your feed back it all helps for making what people want

cheers john

[gixxer]

i will get the part for the other wheel and make that so different wheels can be used :)

[gixxer]

does anyone have an old dave i can buy?? i dont have one and it makes testing for fit etc a long process a real old beaten up one will be perfect
lob me a pm

cheers john

[4_cell_racer]

I might also be interested in the hub depends on the following:

How much it weighs compared to the std hub
Weather it'll accept the new dish wheels that I have and the 4 spoke wheels as well
And price of the item :blush:

[gixxer]

I might also be interested in the hub depends on the following:

How much it weighs compared to the std hub
Weather it'll accept the new dish wheels that I have and the 4 spoke wheels as well
And price of the item :blush:

i havent weighed them yet so cant answer that will post as soon as i can,
if your wheels fit the standard part they will fit this as its almost an exact copy of the original part!!
im not making them for free and price will reflect the work thats gone into them

cheers john

[gixxer]

John Nice to see these parts
maybe is time you called me to discuss my Interlectual property rights to these items
Chris
Mardave UK
01953 861134

i have infringed nothing and have tried to contact you

[gixxer]

im confident they will fit properly and have worked out a price of £10 posted for the hub carrier, will be tested tomorrow evening so ill update then, cheers for now

[Mardaveuk]

You have had a PM so i will hand this one over, you will be contacted very soon.
Sorry you feel no infringement has been made
Chris

[Gazza]

Just a quicky

2011 MARDAVE CONSTRUCTION RULES
CHASSIS AND COMPONENTS
STANDARD BRUSHED G2 / STOCK BRUSHLESS 13.5
Cars to be Mardave V12 or Caterham 7 based chassis and suspension. The car chassis plate may be drilled / cut-out to improve weight distribution / cooling, providing no sharp edges are left. No composite chassis allowed
Ball races allowed on both front and rear axles.
Either 32 or 48 dp pinion and spur gear may be used.
Mardave Differentials will be allowed.
Car suspension and wheel carriers shall remain as kit. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

[mcjjordan]

ok so what about improving the rear pin...
as they always get stuck so you cannot remove them without destroying them as the screw always rounds off etc etc

how about one with a hex key hole in the top so you can actually hold it still without damaging it and actually tighten it enough so it doesnt come undone and then wouldnt need to use any locktite
also maybe make the base where it meets the chassis flare out a little so larger diameter then it would have more chance of sitting square or not being pulled into the thin alloy where the screws been countersunk.

[ch!3f]

i used grease on the screw did it up tight and was easily removed when needed

[Mardaveuk]

We have a new pin design and will roll out next month part number V9D
Chris

[mcjjordan]

exellent cant wait
cheers chris

[bald eagle]

Just received one if these diff drive cups from this chap, if it fits/works even half as well as it looks, I'll be a rather happy chap. Quality bit of kit! Mmmm shiny! :thumbsup:

[truggy lover]

nice one chris glad to see a company keeping the development going

The mardave TC looked going round the other sunday as well

cheers Neil

[Mardaveuk]

If anyone has Gixxer's address or tele number pm me please
Chris

[ianhaye]

but there only couple custom made parts, fair enough if they where being massed produced by a big company or they was exact copys being made to undercut you your prices chris ????, no diff to the guys on ebay selling the rear pods. other comapnys make custom parts for other cars dont they, just my 2 pence

[stegger]

If anyone has Gixxer's address or tele number pm me please
Chris
I know you have a beef with him over him making parts but that's abit of a cheap way !!! isn't it

[Andrew.m1971]

Maybe Chris wouldnt have been so anoyed if he was asked first dont you think.
Maybe there could have been a deal done so Chris could have sold them and they would both been happy then as more could be sold on the Mardave brand name.

[PaulL]

So long as they're not "exact" copies and just compatible parts then there is no case to answer. Plenty other companies out there make compatible parts for rc cars without issue.

[stegger]

No, there's been plenty of people selling one thing or the other on this forum and other forum's to make things to either add better performance or reliability. Why should chris from mardave take royalties from these parts just because somebody else has had an idea to make them. Fair play to GIXXER i say.

[stegger]

So long as they're not "exact" copies and just compatible parts then there is no case to answer. Plenty other companies out there make compatible parts for rc cars without issue.

They are not, he would have a case to answer if chris had made alloy version's but he hasn't, and that is probably why he 's acting the way he is !!;) At the end of the day these parts would not be allowed at a sanctioned event so you would have to still buy chris's plastic parts.

[PaulL]

They are not, he would have a case to answer if chris had made alloy version's but he hasn't, and that is probably why he 's acting the way he is !!;) At the end of the day these parts would not be allowed at a sanctioned event so you would have to still buy chris's plastic parts.

Exactly :) Not a copy.

I've made my own wishbones out of 6mm carbonfibre, just for fun. The holes are the same to fit the chassis, but they're a slightly different shape (better :p) so not copies.

[truggy lover]

ok guys so you all think your right but just look at it from mardaves point of view where does it stop when every one else is making and selling all his spares and all his buisness is gone

i dont think so !!!

[Kecky]

If anyone has Gixxer's address or tele number pm me please
Chris

Are you going to go around and race him for 'pinks' :lol:

[Gazza]

Been down this road once many years ago and its Called

"Copyright"

The English law is quite funny at times But when the police come banging on your door with a warrant and

TAKE EVERY THING Connected to what ever makes them :mad:

So if there made at your place of work you better tell ya boss or sort it out with Chris A.S.A.P before you Loose every thing I kid you not been there done that never again

its not funny I can tell you

[stevo16v]

nice parts,but were does it stop ! there use to be a thing at club level were everybody would use the same stuff ,it took 10 years for countersunk chassis to be allowed. everyone is doing there own thing .it isnt a £50 pound car any more to be competitive,drivers crave more speed faster parts ,if u want bling buy a saloon car you can throw as much money at them as u like,i race against bald eagle ,if he wins does it mean i have to buy an alloy diff ? lets get back to basics cheap fast racing ,there lovely parts but if u ask me there cheating ,and yes i do make the nylon battery holders but these are to keep people racing and not to gain an unfair advantage,chris has got a living to make ,you carnt blame him

[Gazza]

yes i do make the nylon battery holders

But thats your design :thumbsup: . . . . . ( and a good one I would say )

So there for not a copy. . . There not the same as cobra battery holders or the Lexan / ABS ones so there for not a problem :thumbsup:

A copy is a copy is a copy . . . cutting another slot in it or making it out of. .

ally / steel / wood / nylon / brass / 2mm shorter / longer BUT it does the same thing. . . IS A COPY

Same as the A arms. . . drilling the king pin at an angle does not make it differant So there for again its A COPY

LOL tell you what tape Top Gear off the TV and go sell it at a boot market and see what happens . . .

It's called copyright theft Like I said been there done that and got thrown a book the size of the yellow pages all on copyright . . .
Long story but you get the drift . . .

Talk to Chris Make him an offer. . . cut a deal. . . its cheaper in the long run

But putting an ally hub and the motor all on the same side means more lead on the other side to balance it out :p

[QuackingPlums]

Hmm. How old is the design for the Mardave arms and are they patented or just registered designs?

[bald eagle]

if u want bling buy a saloon car you can throw as much money at them as u like,i race against bald eagle ,if he wins does it mean i have to buy an alloy diff ? lets get back to basics cheap fast racing ,there lovely parts but if u ask me there cheating ,and yes i do make the nylon battery holders but these are to keep people racing and not to gain an unfair advantage,chris has got a living to make ,you carnt blame him

Ive raced saloons @club and national level, trust me, they are and always have been alot more expensive to race/run in comparisson to a mardave, back in the day i used to spend around £30 for a set of tyres to race art a certain meeting and hope to god id chosen the correct compound to suit the temp of the track etc. As to regards of cheating etc, cant see it as cheating myself, especially if the part is available to all.
Ive been searching the net to find the same shell that you were running on sunday, cant find it anywhere?? are you cheating? lol

[ch!3f]

arnt you contradicting yourself?read what you have just said!

if i was gixxer id get in touch with chris and talk about new designs for alloy parts and come to some sort of arrangement with him.

i know hes making copies of his parts and it doenst matter how old the designs are if they have copyright or what ever it is he will be able to prosecute him for it,it doent matter if they are slightly difference in appearance everything else is the same.

[stevo16v]

hpi rs4 shell,the new mardave speed 6 looks like it,shells dont make u 3 laps faster its all in the thumbs cheaty:thumbsup:

[bald eagle]

arnt you contradicting yourself?read what you have just said!


How is it contradictory? because ive looked at the net to see what shell Daz was running?

Daz, if its all in the thumbs mate, then stop worrying your head about my shiny bits lol :p

In all seriousness, i can see both sides to this situation with regards to Mr mardave v gixxer. Maybe its best left for them both to decide how to tackle the situation.

[Kecky]

If Mr Mardave brings out an alloy version, does that mean Mr Gixxer could counter sue :confused:

Mardavealloydiffpartgate could drag on for Ever :thumbdown:

[dirtyghost]

this should answer all the questions.....

http://www.jisclegal.ac.uk/Portals/12/Documents/PDFs/IPREssentials_2.pdf

I love google, what ever did we do before google, there's loads of info out there on this topic so before discussing it get genned up this pdf should give it a clearer outline.

[QuackingPlums]

i know hes making copies of his parts and it doenst matter how old the designs are if they have copyright or what ever it is he will be able to prosecute him for it,it doent matter if they are slightly difference in appearance everything else is the same.

I’m not jumping into this (really, I’m not!) but I only asked about how long the parts have been in production because I have been on the other end of this in the past, and it turned out that due to designs only being protected for five years (unless patented) that I couldn’t do a thing about my product being copied. Moreover, if that item happens to be a spare part then the UK law actively prohibits me as an innovator and manufacturer (who has sunk a LOT more money up front into R&D!) from preventing another company from making a “compatible” item! The law is an ass, and never as straightforward as one would assume. Or maybe I just couldn’t afford the decent lawyers... :thumbdown:

[ch!3f]

How is it contradictory? because ive looked at the net to see what shell Daz was running?

Daz, if its all in the thumbs mate, then stop worrying your head about my shiny bits lol :p

In all seriousness, i can see both sides to this situation with regards to Mr mardave v gixxer. Maybe its best left for them both to decide how to tackle the situation.

thought id clicked the quote button was ment to quote gazza on bout the battery trays

[Mardaveuk]

Hi All
Lets get back to the real reason for all this .
Mr Gixxer could have contacted me and all this would have been avoided but as people have said copy's or no copy's its called Passing Off in legal terms. So i can'r say much more as this is now over to our sollicitors.
But Gixxer we still need a chat.
Chris

[PaulL]

this should answer all the questions.....

http://www.jisclegal.ac.uk/Portals/12/Documents/PDFs/IPREssentials_2.pdf

I love google, what ever did we do before google, there's loads of info out there on this topic so before discussing it get genned up this pdf should give it a clearer outline.

That document relates mostly to IP matters like music, television programmes, movies and litterature.

What's relevant here is design rights : http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/protect/p15_design_rights

http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?itemId=1073791344&type=RESOURCES

It's a very muddy area and very hard to prove an original design, especially when there are similar items out there allready. For example there are other rc cars out there already with triangular shaped wishbones, so nothing new there. Also the diff hub has been around since Cecil Schumacher's days and plenty older cars used them like the rc10L so it's not an original design. Also making parts that are compatible with other manufacturers designs is perfectly acceptable, even if components have to be exact copies. See : http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/design/d-about/d-designright/d-designright-qualify.htm

Quote :


Are there any exceptions to design right?

Yes. Design features enabling one product to be functionally fitted or aesthetically matched to another get no protection. These so-called 'must-fit’ and 'must-match’ exceptions are there so that competing designs for spare parts cannot be kept out of the market.
Competitors cannot be stopped from copying any features of a protected design that enables their own design to be connected to or matched with existing equipment designed by someone else. However, competitors will infringe design right if they copy features of a protected design where there is no need to do so.


I'm not saying Chris doesn't have a point and shouldn't be a bit miffed about other people making parts for his cars, that's understandable, but getting heavy is pointless and besides for sanctioned events and most club events, everybody has to use Mardave parts, so i doubt a few alloy parts are going to damage business much.

[QuackingPlums]

In addition to my previous comment, I would also add that if people just got on the phone and spoke to each other then there would be far fewer lawyers overtaking me in their Porsches on the M40... Just sayin’ :lol:

[Dreadstar]

The main point here is that you can make your own version of anything for your own personal use,without stepping on anyones toes. Where you run into copyright problems,is when you then produce more of the same for sale to others.The only time that you can get away with that though is if you are producing the parts under licence from the copyright holder.

[large]

maybe make the base where it meets the chassis flare out a little so larger diameter then it would have more chance of sitting square or not being pulled into the thin alloy where the screws been countersunk.

Matt, hello hows stuff?, Lee Bishop makes a rear pin with a flange on the bottom :thumbsup:

[Gazza]

Hi All
Lets get back to the real reason for all this .
Mr Gixxer could have contacted me and all this would have been avoided but as people have said copy's or no copy's its called Passing Off in legal terms. So i can'r say much more as this is now over to our sollicitors.
But Gixxer we still need a chat.
Chris


Says it all realy. . . . Gixxer call the guy problem solved :thumbsup:

[Mardaveuk]

Asked a number of times still no reply.

Chris

[ch!3f]

Asked a number of times still no reply.

Chris

prob because hes crapping his pants as he knows hes guna get f**ked!

[gixxer]

My god this has got a bit heavy!! Mr mardave has been contacted and can ring me all this over a couple lumps of metal!! Oh yeah and as said earlier on in these posts the chap sellin rear pods and arms better be gettin the same treatment as me!

Happy shit this rc racing think ill pack it in before I start again, oh yeah I even had the cheak to buy a mardave!

[gixxer]

prob because hes crapping his pants as he knows hes guna get f**ked!

yeah i am nob head!!

[gixxer]

ive noticed alot of you have an opinion then pm me wanting to buy the parts in question???????????? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[truggy lover]

lol gixxer post up a list lol would be interesting

[Mardaveuk]

gixxer
i have tried many times but without a number its impossible
As for all this shit all i have asked from you is to call me to discuss
i await reply

[Gazza]

Happy shit this rc racing think ill pack it in before I start again, oh yeah I even had the cheak to buy a mardave!

Works on the same princable of Video / DVD pirate also remember the BBC and people not havein a TV Licence. . .
Its called stealing

What if some one copied stuff where you work and sold them and put you out of work you possable would not like that would you

as for " Happy shit this racing " it is happy its you thats in the wrong why cant you see your a

VIDEO PIRATE

[gixxer]

So it seems the squeeky clean mardave man is upto things that arnt to different buying parts in and baggin em up as ur own to flog on?? Did ya get permission for that?? I don't think so oh yeah what's it like being perfect gazza? Get a life!

[Mardaveuk]

Gixxer you say you tried to contact me ???
Not sure where your coming from mate and as for buying in and selling on all items have a licence or permission from supplier Ie Asscociated/Caterham/mtroniks etc
get over it call me and we can sort this shit out
Chris

[johnnyp]

well just read all the way thru this forum on this and was shocked at how it turned out
i totally sympathise with chris and understand the difficulties he had with contacting mr gixxer and think mr gixxer should have been in touch with mardave before selling on any of his products as a ''aftermarket'' upgrade
i like the parts your making gixxer but think the way youve conducted this and dealt with the response too solve it i dont think id be interested in associating myself and my hobby with you
just my thoughts and feel that this should all stop now and let gixxer and chris sort it all out you never no both might come too a happy conclusion in the end
out of interest tho xray had a similar issue a few years back and wiped out the company making them and impounded all the machinery and equipment and it was a big engineering shop that it did it too and it all started from a guy making one bit for his car that someone else liked so made a few and sold on the bay............

[millser]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CNC-Alloy-rear-pod-Mardave-V12-VRX-/120692346850?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item1c19d30fe2

has anyone contacted this chap then????????

[jimmy]

I have never seen such a wrath of legal tripe in my life. You people, especially Mardave, should be ashamed. :thumbdown:

[Frecklychimp]

Having recently bought a Mardave and looking forward to getting into racing with you guys... have read this thread with mixed feelings.

Firstly the parts being offered originally look of good design and manufacture, if they fix weaknesses in original design and therefore help the cars handle or improve durability then surely us as racers benefit.

Obviously Mardave lose sales on spares as there will be less parts failure or fatigue due to either weaknesses or driver error (i would have thought 99% to blame!)

IMHO fitting stronger arms will only spread damage to other components or track markings in impacts, Chris will be selling other spares instead (or straightening chassis plates!) the parts also may have awful effects on handling which makes them useless in racing applications.

Since Mardave racing has rules on standard OEM parts for events, it will only be racers that use them at other events that can benefit from upgrades, therefore a very small market and gixxer will not be making huge profits.

It makes business sense for gixxer to contact Mardave, get permission to either sell under licence or manufacture for Mardave, that way we as racers can all benefit by being able to use the parts at events, the parts go to mass market meaning more sales and this stupidity can stop.

Sorry Chris but i don't think this has been handled in a total professional manner, Oople should have been contacted, this thread should have been closed/deleted and legal business dealt with outside of public view, it doesn't look good on your business part having to threaten racers/forum members etc with legal action, we are all potential customers at the end of the day.

These parts could benefit kids/newbies/amateurs to continue with the class if it means them finishing races rather than broken cars littering the tracks.

Come on guys, put handbags down and sort it out so we can all benefit. :thumbsup:

[Frecklychimp]

I have never seen such a wrath of legal tripe in my life. You people, especially Mardave, should be ashamed. :thumbdown:

Agreed, i'm certainly reconsidering having a go at racing these for fun if i'm going to get sued for damages everytime i clip a back marker :p

[Mardaveuk]

Sorry to keep harping on but i have tried to contact all parties, only replt i had was from Jimmy he saw no reason to delete thread. As for my rights i have these and can't see where iam wrong only for airing it on this forum
Never again and sorry if i have offended our loyal customer base.
As for oople you have PM
Chris

[jimmy]

From Mardave UK to me:

Hi Jimmy
Great forum shit admin
this should have been deleted days ago.
Please remove our logo from your site


The logo will be removed by request, I'll of course keep the Mardave section for people like me who love Mardaves! :thumbsup:

Jimmy (last ever Mardave champion at Batley)

[s22jgs]

oo er.
personally, for me the point of a mardave is cheap fun... why would you want to pay extra for something that looks pretty under shell that gets tatty lol

I used to run a supported website for my local football club, and we ran into issues with copyright on pictures and things. And then worse when we produced merchandise. Even though it didnt carry the club crest, it still had the team name, which was enough for them to claim we were taking business away from them.

This seems vaguely similar. Contact should have been made in an attempt to see if both parties could work together.

Either way, i still love my Dave, and will be running it for a very long time - just with plastic parts lol

[stegger]

Having recently bought a Mardave and looking forward to getting into racing with you guys... have read this thread with mixed feelings.

Firstly the parts being offered originally look of good design and manufacture, if they fix weaknesses in original design and therefore help the cars handle or improve durability then surely us as racers benefit.

Obviously Mardave lose sales on spares as there will be less parts failure or fatigue due to either weaknesses or driver error (i would have thought 99% to blame!)

IMHO fitting stronger arms will only spread damage to other components or track markings in impacts, Chris will be selling other spares instead (or straightening chassis plates!) the parts also may have awful effects on handling which makes them useless in racing applications.

Since Mardave racing has rules on standard OEM parts for events, it will only be racers that use them at other events that can benefit from upgrades, therefore a very small market and gixxer will not be making huge profits.

It makes business sense for gixxer to contact Mardave, get permission to either sell under licence or manufacture for Mardave, that way we as racers can all benefit by being able to use the parts at events, the parts go to mass market meaning more sales and this stupidity can stop.

Sorry Chris but i don't think this has been handled in a total professional manner, Oople should have been contacted, this thread should have been closed/deleted and legal business dealt with outside of public view, it doesn't look good on your business part having to threaten racers/forum members etc with legal action, we are all potential customers at the end of the day.

These parts could benefit kids/newbies/amateurs to continue with the class if it means them finishing races rather than broken cars littering the tracks.

Come on guys, put handbags down and sort it out so we can all benefit. :thumbsup:
Well said fella, agree on all points especially the " but i don't think this has been handled in a total professional manner "

Sorry to keep harping on but i have tried to contact all parties, only replt i had was from Jimmy he saw no reason to delete thread. As for my rights i have these and can't see where iam wrong only for airing it on this forum
Never again and sorry if i have offended our loyal customer base.
As for oople you have PM
Chris
Have had a number of your kit's over the year's, no more :thumbdown: Keep carrying on the way you have been and you will probably lose a lot more custom.

From Mardave UK to me:

Hi Jimmy
Great forum shit admin
this should have been deleted days ago.
Please remove our logo from your site


The logo will be removed by request, I'll of course keep the Mardave section for people like me who love Mardaves! :thumbsup:

Jimmy (last ever Mardave champion at Batley)

Nice one jimmy, open and honest forum as usual :thumbsup: chris stop being a child and put your toy's back in there box's:thumbdown:

[QuackingPlums]

What if some one copied stuff where you work and sold them and put you out of work you possable would not like that would you


That happens all the time though Gazza - it's called "China"! :p

Sorry... Probably not helping... :lol:

[ianhaye]

Haha this sounds like a school playground as miller posted Wat about all the other custom bits on eBay mr mardave or is it rule for one and not the other?

[Nige]

What I don't understand is there are hop-up/alternative parts made for so many different cars and their manufacturers don't seem to have issue with it so why does Mardave? Especially as they can't be used in official events so why does it matter. :confused:

[stegger]

What I don't understand is there are hop-up/alternative parts made for so many different cars and their manufacturers don't seem to have issue with it so why does Mardave? Especially as they can't be used in official events so why does it matter. :confused:
Spot on mate, he's missing out on a lot of profit !!!! Isn't it about £1.50 for a pair of wishbones ?

[Gazza]

gazza? Get a life!

Gixxer get a Lawyer :p

[DCM]

I can't really believe this has happened at all, maybe initially the whole intention was to make them for mates, but there is an interest that maybe, instead of Mardave complaining, put into production themselves, just seems such a petty argument to me, on both sides.

[kipper123]

From Mardave UK to me:

Hi Jimmy
Great forum shit admin
this should have been deleted days ago.
Please remove our logo from your site


The logo will be removed by request, I'll of course keep the Mardave section for people like me who love Mardaves! :thumbsup:

Jimmy (last ever Mardave champion at Batley)


hahahahahaha good way to portray (sp for you spelling freaks) your buisness, hardly professional.

[cornishboy176]

This is all getting a bit petty now,i left this sport 15 years ago because i got fed up with the petty comments and childish behaviour and people being too far up their own as*es!!

So what!,gixxer has made some bits in ally,big deal!

Its not as if they can be used for the BRCA sanctioned meetings (and the way this thread is going they never will),where we race we run unlimited V12's (run what you want)and some of our drivers were having problems with the diff adaptor melting and snapping front arms.

This is meant to be a fun hobby but it is starting to get too political like it did years ago

Lets just get on with racing,life is too short,we only come this way once!

[cornishboy176]

Gixxer get a Lawyer :p

Grow up Keyboard hero!!

[mattJT]

I did wonder where the mardave logo went - pretty unfortunate how it's all panned out in the end on this particular thread tho :(

[andyr]

hope this doesnt put people off buying a mardave we run a club at sherburn and have some good racing

[stegger]

Like the new logo jimbo :thumbsup:

[jimmy]

Haha, you spotted it. http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/mardavelogo.png

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/mardavelogo.png

[mattJT]

are you allowed to copy/recreate the logo tho :lol: (actually better I think:thumbsup:)

[B&H Racing]

get the sticker machine out jimmy. We need the new logo

[stegger]

are you allowed to copy/recreate the logo tho :lol: (actually better I think:thumbsup:)

Beat me to it. LMFAO :woot:

[jimmy]

Don't worry, I've a backup plan for if it all goes tits.

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/madrave.png

[thesmokingman]

So is that it now?

Can we actually get back on with racing these 'toy' cars now without fear of being slung in jail for thinking of improvements to the car???

3racing must poop their pants when they bring out a new Tamiya upgrade part! :confused:

[Frecklychimp]

Don't worry, I've a backup plan for if it all goes tits.

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/madrave.png


Hope you like porridge Jimmy :thumbsup:

[jimmy]

I will deny everything and claim you made me do it! :drool:

[jimmy]

Anyway!

Show's over folks, sorry Gixxer - you have my support if you feel like making a new thread or want to sell anything you make on here. I think this thread should be closed though as it's gotten way out of hand. :bored: