DB1 details...

[MattADH]

As much info as I could get!

http://www.rcracer.com/off-road-electric-articles-112/3923-db1-2wd-revealed

[LewisStrong]

Saw the 2 last night at silverstone - awesome

[mikeyscott]

It looked good at TORCH on Sunday :)

Where is my debit card!?? :)

[Aran]

thats a little different! looks good :)

[gainsy]

Lazer back end?, rb5 front end?, rudebits chassis?
Looks cool :thumbsup:

[makinwaves]

Some in flight shots at TORCH from Sunday.

http://rclazy.com/blog/

Did look very good running round. The car, not Tony ;)

[RudeTony]

The new shell for the car is now in production


http://www.rudebits.co.uk/myphotos/db1shadow.jpg

[Gayo]

Mmmh tempting :drool:

[aH0tUnicorn]

I best get saving :drool:

[mikeyscott]

All coming together nicely. Look forward to seeing it all :)

[DaSloth]

Has it been tested in wet/damp/slippery conditions yet?

[InsideLineModels]

Has it been tested in wet/damp/slippery conditions yet?

Yes mate, and it's VERY good on every surface condition so far :thumbsup:

[Battle_axe]

Whats it like in the air? Does it not rotate about the propshaft?

[InsideLineModels]

Whats it like in the air? Does it not rotate about the propshaft?

It's really good in the air, the propshaft weight has been tuned to counteract the inertia of the rotor, so it's not noticeable.

Kev

[Adam F]

Looked absolutely awesome at Silverstone, looked so planted but really responsive..... real pretty too...:wub

Were you running much weight in them?

[Battle_axe]

Looked absolutely awesome at Silverstone, looked so planted but really responsive..... real pretty too...:wub

Were you running much weight in them?
Sounds like it will be a good contender then :) gonna be a good dollar though im sure

[mikeyscott]

Yes mate, and it's VERY good on every surface condition so far :thumbsup:

It's really good in the air, the propshaft weight has been tuned to counteract the inertia of the rotor, so it's not noticeable.

Kev

Soundling like a win win situation if you ask me :) - so look forward to it hitting the streets for average Joe.

[InsideLineModels]

I was running 20g between te cells but apart from that nothing. Outside at kidderminster I found extra weight under the lipo settled the car, but it just slowed it down inside.

[JohnM]

How is it on worn out grass tracks? that's where I found a 22 strugged with traction at first.

[jaywestwood]

Car looks nice but i wonder what they will do to cover the spur gear if on a sandy track..

[RogerM]

It's not a problem for the FS platform so I doubt it will be an issue with the DB1 either.

[reg]

What will be needed to get the kit up and running if iv got an rb5?

[mikeyscott]

Makes spares easier as I've got a nice box full of FS & RB5 stuff :thumbsup:

[/tobys]

What will be needed to get the kit up and running if iv got an rb5?

Back end and drive train from a FS2 would be a good starting place I suspect?

[Dudders]

Is this what Dave Burton used at Surrey and Hants a few months back?

[RudeTony]

Is this what Dave Burton used at Surrey and Hants a few months back?

No Neil

[racingdwarf]

What will be needed to get the kit up and running if iv got an rb5?

well if I have read it correctlly, you just need an RB5 I think the extra drive train parts are going to be included......think this car is going to be around the vega sorta price tag,best get ready to sell an organ, Rude :D.

[reg]

well if I have read it correctlly, you just need an RB5 I think the extra drive train parts are going to be included......think this car is going to be around the vega sorta price tag,best get ready to sell an organ, Rude :D.

be good if you do just need the RB5,ill only need to sell one of my childen:woot:

[MHeadling]

It'll be expensive if you need a Lazer,RB5 and the conversion!

£269.00 for an RB5
£379.00 for FS2 SP
£ ? DB1 conversion

Nice if you have deep pockets

[mikeyscott]

It'll be expensive if you need a Lazer,RB5 and the conversion!

£269.00 for an RB5
£379.00 for FS2 SP
£ ? DB1 conversion

Nice if you have deep pockets

and good if you're already running the car(s) ;)

[Adam F]

It'll be expensive if you need a Lazer,RB5 and the conversion!

£269.00 for an RB5
£379.00 for FS2 SP
£ ? DB1 conversion

Nice if you have deep pockets

From what I have seen this wont be the case.... :D

[spud31]

looks like a kyosho version of DB`s old b44/b4 2wd and that was awesome.

[mikeyscott]

Last saw that at petit 2011

[Dudders]

looks like a kyosho version of DB`s old b44/b4 2wd and that was awesome.


Ahhhhh that's what I saw at SHRCCC.

[budgio]

Will any old RB-5 do? or does it have to be the sp/2 ?

[InsideLineModels]

Will any old RB-5 do? or does it have to be the sp/2 ?

We are current using the SP2 WC front end but any RB5 front end will fit.

Kev

[reg]

Kev could you let us know if the rest will come in the kit

[Naushad]

This looks great! When is the release date and price????

[RudeTony]

Some more details for you......
I copied this from our section

Hi yah all...
While the testing and final little improvement continue I thought I would let you know that we are hoping to make the car available in 4 different ways.
Unfortunately the prices have yet to be confirmed and like mentioned before, the priority is to make sure this car can perform at the highest level first then figure out the lowest cost to everyone.


1= RudeDB001 = If you just want just the conversion parts then you will need part no RudeDB1.
In this you will get a bodyshell, and everything else you need to make a DB1 like the factory team are currently using.
You will need to have Kyosho parts in your spares and you will need to buy the odd thing here and there to complete the conversion. Any specialist parts will be included in this conversion. Even the balancing weights for fine tuning to different tracks and conditions

2= RudeDB002 = This is a conversion if you have a Kyosho 2wd (SP onwards models).
Again it will include everything from box 1 plus everything you need if you only have a 2wd car.

3= RudeDB003 = This is a conversion if you have a Kyosho 4wd (SP onwards models).
Again as stated in the other kits, everything needed to convert a 4wd to the DB1 2wd car.

4= RudeDB004 = This is a full kit.
So you have no Kyosho parts and you want to be the proud owner of the fastest 2wd on the planet.
This is the kit for you!

Every kit and that means every kit will come with a unique code and that code is worth a lot of money if used wisely…..
Enough of that for now though, we will reveal that news when the time comes!

Some would have noticed that my thumb has a plaster on it because of so much running with this car.
I am in agony with my hand now and I may have to stop running for a few days.
Thank you to Ellis Stafford for sorting my transmitter out though as I really couldn’t carry on. (not funny really)
The reliability in our eyes is crucial and now the car has completed over 15 hours of run time without a rebuild of a gearbox.
In real terms assuming you do 15 mins on a Lipo in practice, then 4 runs at 6.00 minutes and then your final.
That equates to some 45 minutes per meeting.
Lets assume you do 1 hour run time per meeting!
So far the car has been tested for 15 meetings plus and still doesn’t need a rebuild.
That is a near 4 month period running every Sunday or nearly a season if you wish to look at it in that way.
Good eh!

Back to more running of the car I suppose .

Laters all

[reg]

Thanks for the update Tony,sorry to hear about ya thumb :cry:
im sure the car will be amazing,fingers crossed the price wont need to may brownie point:thumbsup:

[jonathan may]

ahhh just got a sv2 now this turns up but a very tempted any idea when it will be available had a look at it a Torch a few weeks ago looks very nice :thumbsup:

[spud31]

Thats real testing dedication guys, but time for a steerwheel tx i think

[Gayo]

I remember seeing on oOple an Atomic Carbon 2wd prototype with the same kind of layout, back in 06 or 07 but can't find the pic:(

[jackeltrader]

The car is a serious piece of kit up close and it was an absolute missile on Sunday at EPR...well done everybody involved - Lap times don't lie, this is a seriously fast car!!

[mikeyscott]

The car is a serious piece of kit up close and it was an absolute missile on Sunday at EPR...well done everybody involved - Lap times don't lie, this is a seriously fast car!!

Certainly sounds impressive and look forward to results being posted from EPR and of course reports from the first national at Stotfold.

[DaveG28]

Have you guys run this on anywhere low grip at all? Just wondering if it would be any good on dirt?

[spindles69]

Looking at adding a 2wd to my race cars in the very near future.
Seriously thinking about the db1.Any idea on prices.I would want the nmbr 4 option.Otherwise ansmann x2c here i come.

[RogerM]

I know Tony and the crew are doing everything they can to get it out at the lowest possible price.
I'm sure the pricing info will be available in the next couple of weeks.

[spindles69]

Cheers roger.Had a gander at it when tony raced it at epr.It looks a good combination mate:).just have to wait:(.

[RogerM]

I can assure you it's a fantastic package, obviously as a conversion it won't be X2C money BUT, in my book it is a big BUT, the Kyosho components it uses are near bullet proof so you should not be reaching for your wallet again for a long while after purchase. As previously stated Tony has had the thumb screws out on the suppliers to get it out at the best possible price.

I would carry 1xUM566 wishbones, a set of knuckles/caster blocks & a steering rack (all in pack UM505B), 1xUM519-2 (I believe it is those not the UM519 that is being used on this car) ... that is all ... well less than £30 of spares at full retail.

Never broken a Lazer rear tower (since 2008) and only done one RB5 front tower since 2007 (and it was a hell of a head on smash) and the Lazer transmission is awesome; 6 months between diff rebuilds and I have a set of gears that are 3 years old and still running sweat!!!

I'm migrating from my own design of RB5 mid-motor, Scorpion, to the DB1 as the stopwatch doesn't lie!!

[spindles69]

Totally agree with you about the robustness of the kyosho's roger.
Have been racing the zx5 sp for the last two years and won the mercc summer series last year racing against all the latest 4wd buggies.
I've updated to the fs2 for this year.My sons racing the sp for this year.
For 2wd i had the rb5 for 2010 but got the 22 for 2011 not impressed with it.
So was looking for a replacement and the db1 looks like it may well be that car.Summer series starts tommorrow so not to much time to pick a 2wd to race with.

[RudeTony]

1st Major Event

Just in case some people have not seen this.
The first BRCA UK Championship and National series was held at the popular Stotfold club. A full Astroturf track with many jumps and humps allowing the club to run track layouts that some have never been raced on and they did a grand job this weekend.

The 2012 season started with every team being represented by their respective best drivers in attendance.

Statistically consisting of 120 drivers which 115 were F1 and F2 drivers this UK series is arguably the strongest ever.

This was the meeting the DB1 was making its debut at a major event!

The conversion is some 2-3 weeks old and some thought it would be too early for the car to perform at such a high level so so soon!

1st National - Result
Kevin Lee qualified 3rd driving his Kyosho DB1 and finished 2nd in all 3 legs of the main A final to put himself and the car on the podium.
Congrats to Kev

[RudeTony]

http://www.rudebits.co.uk/myphotos/announcementdatesoon.jpg

:thumbsup:

[RudeTony]

Not long now.....

10th of May is nearly here.....

[gainsy]

Any prices on a full kit yet?

[RudeTony]

Sorry at present only the DB1 'conversion' is available.....
The full kit may not happen till towards the end of the season.....
If anyone wants a full kit then we suggest to purchase a 4wd and then the front 2wd parts ......
You also end up with some nice spares that way, like spare diff and so on....

[gainsy]

Cheers Tony

[lcpvcce]

I was ordered already........:thumbsup:
and also parts send for modified......................:D

[Welshy40]

Sorry at present only the DB1 'conversion' is available.....
The full kit may not happen till towards the end of the season.....
If anyone wants a full kit then we suggest to purchase a 4wd and then the front 2wd parts ......
You also end up with some nice spares that way, like spare diff and so on....

Dont get me wrong Tony, I have a thing about Kyosho and yes your a top bloke and appreciate all what you are and have done and admit Kyosho are tops and always have been since I hit the tracks in 89, they are great, however you really need to think about the cost of this as its way above the normal average joe racers budget. Dont get me wrong I could buy this with my pocket change but why have a few sales when you can have hundreds.

DB1 conversion kit - £200 (A good price for what you get)
4wd buggy to use as a donor car - £309 or £350 (looked on Apex models)
Front end of the 2wd - possibly £50

So a total Between £550 to £600 for a 2wd. Mmmm I think you can see where I and a lot of other people are coming from, yes I can understand the current people who own 4wd ZX-5 FS buggies this would be worth doing but for people that dont the cost is stupidly high.

So come on and let us all know when you get the cost down below £300 for the complete car to get close to compete with the current buggies like Durango, Losi, or Tamiya. You may get more people interested, including me.

[sime46]

Front end parts are waaaay more than £50 I'm afraid. I seriously considered this car and my best mate is building one but the overall costs are more than I can justify right now for the amount of racing I'm doing. It'll be a fantastic car and it was never made a secret that it'd be pricey. It's a shame that a complete or partial car isn't available(yet) as was described in early posts. I was hoping to go down that direction in the hope it'd be a more economical way to jump on board. Having said all that, if I was racing more this year I'd probably throw caution to the wind and get one built. You pays your money and takes your choice eh?

[reg]

Front end parts are waaaay more than £50 I'm afraid. I seriously considered this car and my best mate is building one but the overall costs are more than I can justify right now for the amount of racing I'm doing. It'll be a fantastic car and it was never made a secret that it'd be pricey. It's a shame that a complete or partial car isn't available(yet) as was described in early posts. I was hoping to go down that direction in the hope it'd be a more economical way to jump on board. Having said all that, if I was racing more this year I'd probably throw caution to the wind and get one built. You pays your money and takes your choice eh?


Si hurry up and get one built,i want to buy it off you so it doesnt sit on your shelf:thumbsup:

[RudeTony]

Hi
I can't argue that if you have no Kyosho stuff, the complete package is at the higher end of the scale, and if I had power to do something about that, I would.
If I had those powers i would also make Ferraris, Lambos and Porsches cheap too .....:)

[lcpvcce]

Agreed with you Tony and I know that is not cheap ,
but it is must buy item !!! .............:wub

[shark]

Si hurry up and get one built,i want to buy it off you so it doesnt sit on your shelf:thumbsup:Lol , he,ll build it all pretty ....... Then put pedals and a seat on it and ride the crap out of it . Love ya Sime :)

[Rich D]

Lol , he,ll build it all pretty ....... Then put pedals and a seat on it and ride the crap out of it . Love ya Sime :)

ha! yeah that new Vega of his has had some hammer ;)

[RogerM]

Baring in mind that the majority of people who will be interested in this car will be running Kyosho cars anyway it is likely that they will be able to build it up out of their spares box / old car.
I might be lucky in this respect but if I don't mind mixing blue and gun metal alloy parts I priced the car up as only £10 more than the conversion kit + raiding my spares.
(If your not running Kyosho, especially the Lazer, then please ... take one for a drive, you WILL be very impressed :) )

For the rest of you out there without the depth of Kyosho spares to draw from here is my advice;

1) buy a 2nd hand Lazer FS/FS2/FS2-sp ...I've seen cars come up for around £120.
2) buy a 2nd hand Ultima RB5 (any type, think of the WC front end as a tuning aid for a bit more mid corner steering ... which the DB1 certainly doesn't lack to start with) .. these can be found for £60
3) strip both cars and sell on the remainder of the parts ... depending on versions bought you might well get the majority of your money back
4) replace the wear items with new (hinge pin bushes LAW32 (http://www.jespares.com/electric-models?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=9954&category_id=1285http://), ball cups97021H (http://www.jespares.com/electric-models?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=9766&category_id=1285), shock bushing set W0203 (http://www.jespares.com/electric-models?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=9217&category_id=1285))
5) treat the diff to a rebuild
6) go racing.

Anybody who has run the Kyosho cars before will know that the build quality is 2nd to none and I have an RB5 from 2007 and an FS from 2009 both of which I'd happily put straight on the track and neither have had any major components or gears replaced!

Looking back to the days when the pits where filled with Atomic S4s etc. there were plenty of people who were happy to layout £600+ on a buggy if it gave them an advantage ... DB1 will be giving you an advantage ;)

[RudeTony]

Bodyshells have arrived for the 1st batch of kits and a very few available as spares :) (obviously from the RudeBits website)

http://www.rudebits.co.uk/myphotos/IMAG0213 [800x600].jpg

http://www.rudebits.co.uk/myphotos/IMAG0218 [800x600].jpg

[Pedros20]

Does this mean the kits will be released any earlier Tony?
Fingers crossed! Lol!

[gainsy]

If your like me that likes to drive 2wd in the summer & 4wd in the winter i see this car as a great opportunity
If i buy a used fs2 for around £150, the rb5 front end for £100 & the conversion for £200 that's £450, ok that's a fair bit but for that i kinda get 2 cars, i get to run the db1 during the summer & when the winter hits i can take the back end off it & put it back on the fs2, hey presto i have a 4wd ready for winter :D

[Pedros20]

Mines all sorted, brand new RB5 WC & a almost new FS2.
Just waiting for the DB1 kit. Just ordered the undertray & a spare bodyshell.
So... Should be up & running in no time!
Can't wait! Lol

[reg]

Mines all sorted, brand new RB5 WC & a almost new FS2.
Just waiting for the DB1 kit. Just ordered the undertray & a spare bodyshell.
So... Should be up & running in no time!
Can't wait! Lol


yes but you wont be able to use its as you have sold your arms and lags:woot:

[sime46]

yes but you wont be able to use its as you have sold your arms and lags:woot:

Isaw him recentlty and he still has his arms and LAGS? Not sure bout his liver tho. He won't miss it. He's been trying to pickle it for years. Oh, and by the way, Wardy and Rich. Haha. Very funny. My new Vega is lovely. Still unused however but lovely. Can't wait to see my new shell. Woohoo:thumbsup:

[lcpvcce]

Some parts was ready...................................:D

[Hpi_guy]

I have art complete zx-5 in bits sitting in my pot box, could that be used?

[RogerM]

Theoretically yes it could be used but as the geometry (including the diff height) & drive shaft lengths is quite a bit different to the FS2 you'd end up running a fairly different car to the team so setup exchange would be more difficult.

Depending on the spec of the bits you have the upgrade path might not be too extensive [or worse case you might only be able to use the diff, tower (not diff case or tower mount) & hinge pins]. Post up the spec of the spares you have and I will tell you what you would need to upgrade to get an exact team car.

[mikeyscott]

Collected my shells yesterday :thumbsup:

[Hpi_guy]

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i424/willnearn/a237911b.jpg

just the standard lazer zx-5 rear end i have the toe in blocks but they are in another box

[RogerM]

I am afraid all you will be able to use in order to build the car to the same rear geometry as the team are going to be using is the shock tower and diff (not the case, tower mount or pinion shaft ... although the pinion itself will be fine) bearings and the hinge pins. The hubs, wishbones and driveshafts are all significantly different.

You would be able to build a car around them but you would not be able to transfer the team setups on to it.

[Hpi_guy]

I'm not really bothered about team set ups at the moment just compatibility

[lcpvcce]

Hi RogerM,

Yes absolute right . and some parts need to modification ...............:D

Cheers,
Ken.