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Getting rid of the gears in the Optima Mid
It's been a long time since I was on Oople. Just to let you all know, I am working on a twin belt optima mid at the moment.
It will be a system similar to the Schumacher Mi1, in which a short belt is driven from the layshaft which connects to the rear diff pulley, which is basically a double diff pulley.The layshaft pulley will be a 14T or 15T S3M same as the Lazer size. Right now my second revision is using 14T over the 13T of the first revision. One side will be using Lazer ZX diff pulley and the other side my custom designed Optima Mid Diff pulley, only available in gear diff at this time. The gearbox must be drilled to insert new 3D printed shaft inserts , the center gear shaft and bearings will be used back. For the first prototype I had issue of the new short belt slipping. Once I upped the pulley size to 14T and tightened the belt tension a bit, there is no more slipping of the short belt, but now I have a problem with my XL mid belt pulley somehow not having correct tooth cutting dimension causing the original long belt to slip the pulleys on high loads. I had this same issue for a ball diff pulley I made for first revision. I am working with my supplies to resolve this issue, I believe its just a CNC radius issue, as the original kyosho pulleys are sharped edged on the inside, but my machine pulleys have some radius ,causing the belt to want to come off the pulleys. I will keep you all updated, but some of you already on facebook have seen my prototype pics. Right now Standard Mid gearbox ratio is 2.6, with this new system it will be 2.21, if I decide to up the pulley to 15T it will be 2.06. The advantage of this system is you do not need to grease your gears anymore and even if some sand get in it wont cause damage. This will greatly reduce maintenance time. The only wear and tear item are the new short belt, and top pulley, in order of higher wear. Last edited by Peakey; 10-08-2016 at 05:35 AM. |
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That sounds cool.
Only raced my Mid once since I rebuilt it and it sounded like the gears were skipping under hard braking (even though it's got Thorp gears in it), but not been bothered to look in it yet. So will be interested to see how this goes. Good luck with it. Whilst you're here Any good shops in KL worth visiting? I should be there later in the year and can't seem to leave my hobby behind... |
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Modified 3racing 14T pulley with 3D printed sleeve. Drilled gearbox using a 3d printed jig, with a 3D printed sleeve to move the center gear shaft position. Center gear shaft and 2 bearings re used coupled to a 3D printed belt flange. Also note the lazer ZX pulley combined with my new Mid half. Notice the scuff marks on the Mid Half diff pulley, this is caused by the incorrect inner radius on the machined pulley, pushing the belt of the pulley and causing it to slip. How it looks like assembled. Last edited by alcyon; 09-08-2016 at 01:15 AM. |
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Hi Alcyon
This looks really interesting. Maybe if you go this far may as well use a Lazer rear gearbox? I imagine it could be adapted to the mid chassis or look into a open gearbox for the Mid similar to what James did for the ZX-R How can I find you on Facebook
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Just see the location to confirm, I am pretty sure you'll get me ! Last edited by alcyon; 09-08-2016 at 10:15 AM. |
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I see that does make sense, also the mid is different having the front belt driven off the rear diff rather than the layshaft. I was thinking a front Lazer diff housing would fit a mid but would that also make it not a mid.
I see you run a VTS slipper, is that still the same layshaft design?
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Cant wait anymore peakey. Besides i would rather have my machinist near me. Besides sweatshop pay here is lower ! Yes Dan its the same layshaft that works with vts and b4 slipper. It is the 3rd revision though because this batch has a shoulder on the inside so you can really crank down on the slipper without jamming the bearings.
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Just to update everyone, after extensive testing, the twin belt system I have declare as a failure. the short belt just cannot take the load of driving the rear diff and the fronts at once. I had the short belt fail twice. I am now moving on to 48P gear set conversion.
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is it possible to run the front belt to also been driven also from the layshaft similar to the lazer zx-r?? that way the only load on the rear belt is via the rear wheels.. then the rear wheels would be driven via both belts. just a matter of is it possible to run 2 belt pulleys on the rear diff? the kyosho triumph can run a dual belt on the rear diff.. might be a option
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I remember seeing a similar conversion done with chains. I can't remember if it was on an Optima or a Mid, but chains on a Mid would be totally awesome. Could have the same stress/ breaking issue as the belts though.
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You mean like 3 belts ? Problem is the optima diffs are offset . If a triple belt system like the cats is to be used, I need to have a centered front diff. Also a rear gearbox with more internal space, which I am afraid is not possible on the mid.
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Dual chain drive optima mid
Found it: http://hybridmid.blogspot.com/2009/0...day-4.html?m=1
It's a mid rear gearbox, converted to dual chain drive, optima front end with a mono shock. It's glorious. |
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Back in the 80's when I took this lark seriously, those chains were a pain in the bum - stretched for fun - and then jumped teeth. Forever adjusting the original optima to keep the chain running, then removing links.
Finally modified it to fit original CAT pulley outers and belt and no more problems. |
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If you look at the pics of the upgrade diff for the re re xls that looks like it's a 2 belt system rather than a 3 so wait and see what it's like and if that might be an option to make fit
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