TEAM ASSOCIATED "B44"

[Richard Lowe]

I still don't know why people have problems with AE shocks?!

On the latest set I built for my new BJ4 they have changed the spacers that you put in the body with the o rings which are thinner, so you don't have to skim a bit of thickness off the middle one like it says to do in Elvo's guide to get them free. The shock tops seem to get harder to thread onto the shock body the first time with each set I build, but if you put a slight angle on the inside of where the thread starts before you put them on for the first time it's no problem, takes all of 5 seconds with some sandpaper.

Bleeding them is easy too, fill to the top of the shock body with the shaft fully out, screw the top on slightly, push the shaft all the way in and tighten the cap fully, easy

[c0sie]

Richard,

What is this 'Elvos Guide' and do you have a link at all?

Thanks

[Southwell]

http://users.pandora.be/elvo

[MK999]

Originally Posted by jimmy

Bladders have been around for many years so there's a reason the AE and Tamiya 501X and Losi shocks don't have them - goodness knows what it is tho.
The AE shocks are in desperate need of an update if you ask me - an easier way to install / remove the orings would be my only real wish.

Guessing it's because bladders don't actually eliminate air in the shock they just move it behind a bladder, so the shock isn't 100% filled with oil and under the displacement of the piston this will compress by differing amounts depending how fast the piston moves, probably only a small difference but certainly from an engineering point of view the AE shocks are more 'correct' than others on the market, whether this actually makes a major difference considering they're ridiculously hard to build consistently is debatable though

[delanobe]

Little question.

When building the gearbox of the B44 the manual states not to use any grease in it.

Should I use grease in it??

[sosidge]

Bladder shocks will always have rebound when assembled, it is in the nature of the design.

An emulsion shock like the AE one can be built without any rebound if that is what you prefer in terms of handling. But the downside is that there will always be that tiny squeak of air bubbles.

I think a shock without rebound will generate more grip and perhaps handle the bumps a bit better? Maybe this is why it is the hot setup for offroad?

I assume you could also fit Yokomo bladders and caps onto the AE shocks if you really wanted to, maybe the AE touring bladders would fit too?

I recall fitting bladders onto my old Lazer ZX-5 shocks, although they were a lot easier to build, the car didn't seem quite as settled on the track, but that could have been in my head!

[frogger]

Originally Posted by Northy

Follow the link \/

I've tried to buy some mate and it dies as soon as I try to make the Paypal payment Just gives me an error message.

[sly]

Any concrete dates on the release yet.

[losixxx]

rumor is this friday or monday the 3rd

[josh_smaxx]

Ive never had a problem building AE shocks and its not like i have much experiance building shocks in genral, mine are always full, bled properly and work well, dont ever have a problem.

[c0sie]

I should have mine next week, late next week hopefully.
I loosely heard that CML think the CML boat will have arrived by then too..fingers crossed!

I saw a B44 (unfinished build) on Friday night and let out some of that 'sex-wee' from that other thread all over it.
I dont think Wes noticed...*evil laugh*

[rich_cree]

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...e/CIMG1027.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...e/CIMG1026.jpg

Thanks Tel (of tels shells!)

[Chris Doughty]

Originally Posted by rich_cree

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...e/CIMG1027.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...e/CIMG1026.jpg

Thanks Tel (of tels shells!)

so dialled!

[GRIFF55]

Nice!!!

[Richard Lowe]

Originally Posted by rich_cree

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...e/CIMG1027.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...e/CIMG1026.jpg

Thanks Tel (of tels shells!)

Traitor!

[rich_cree]

Originally Posted by Richard Lowe

Traitor!

Now now, don't be jealous

I know I'm jealous that your off to florida and I'm stuck here!!!!

[Oliv996]

Originally Posted by jimmy

Bladders have been around for many years so there's a reason the AE and Tamiya 501X and Losi shocks don't have them - goodness knows what it is tho.
The AE shocks are in desperate need of an update if you ask me - an easier way to install / remove the orings would be my only real wish.

Originally Posted by stefke

although I like the Tamiya shocks very much, I think there can be no discussion : Losi shocks are in many ways the best. PERIOD. Mostly because they are by far the easiest to work on. Changing pistons or fitting internal limiters is sooooo easy. Bleeding is a no-job

AE shocks were good 20 years ago, but they seriously need updating !

The Kyosho shocks on the ZX5 were also easy to work on, but I couldn't prevent them from leaking.

I agree with you Jimmy and Stefke, AE shocks delivered with 1/10 offroad kits, need an update. They are still the same since the begin of 80's !

Originally Posted by MK999

Guessing it's because bladders don't actually eliminate air in the shock they just move it behind a bladder, so the shock isn't 100% filled with oil and under the displacement of the piston this will compress by differing amounts depending how fast the piston moves, probably only a small difference but certainly from an engineering point of view the AE shocks are more 'correct' than others on the market, whether this actually makes a major difference considering they're ridiculously hard to build consistently is debatable though

So I wonder why AE shocks for RC8 are built with bladders and thoses for RC10Bxx without?

[frogger]

I'm going to guess the shocks have not been updated because they are probably good enough and Associated can save money or focus on other things to make better?

Anyway, could anyone confirm wether these are the Yokomo caps and bladders that fit the Associated shocks please:

#YS-8D Diaphram Shock Cap Set

PodiumRC has them for £7.99 a set

[Northy]

Originally Posted by Oliv996

So I wonder why AE shocks for RC8 are built with bladders and thoses for RC10Bxx without?

There is a current mod I have read about to drill a hole in the shock cap on the RC8 to let the air out from behind the bladder, otherwise they don't work well.

I think you'll find they haven't changed due to saving $$$, no other reason.

G

[elvo]

Originally Posted by Northy

There is a current mod I have read about to drill a hole in the shock cap on the RC8 to let the air out from behind the bladder, otherwise they don't work well.

I think you'll find they haven't changed due to saving $$$, no other reason.

G

Of course! Bladders don't work if there is a closed chamber of air behind them.