SWIRC Vintage Class

[Belms]

Originally Posted by 'caster master

In conclusion I suggest:
Any pre 2000 1:10th scale electric chassis, monster trucks, buggies, 2wd and 4wd etc (with room for flexibility on the day)
Open batteries but no higher than 7.4v (2s lipo)
Open esc
Brushless motors from 10.5t or above or any brushed motor
Open tyres
Open radio gear
While this make not make the racing as "fair" as possible, I think rules along these lines would be the most fun, cheapest for the racer, and lead to a higher number of people racing in the class, which is the most important thing.
Thanks, Jon.

I agree - it is a fun class, and making it accessible and open to the widest number of racers should be the most important thing, as well as flexibility on the night. As I noted above, I think we only need to introduce a motor limit if we find we get problems... (Have to say I'm not terribly keen on having to buy a 17.5 and ESC combo if I don't have to right now... Tho will probably get them down the line )

Hadn't thought about other pre-2000 classes, but I wouldn't have a problem racing my RC10 against 4wd's (back in the day 2wds were all in with 4wd anyway...), and might be interesting to have some monster trucks in there too! Richards e-firestorm went really well around the track last week, and didn't cause any problems space-wise, so should be fine (there's gotta be loads of lunchboxes out there, but a Clod-buster on the track might prove interesting!).
I guess it could be open to 1/12 vintage off-road too (e.g. Lunchbox).

I've got the tyres now; just hoping the RC10 wheels to fit them turn up tomorrow...

Let's chat more tomorrow eve when there is a free 5 mins!

Matt, have you thought about a basic web site to put all this kind of info on?
FB page is great for announcements, but not too good for static info...

[Belms]

Originally Posted by 36racing

Ordering today hopefully (RC10 Classic/Gold Tub).
I would say Designed/First Made Before 2000.
17.5 should be okay, but we will have to do a little bit of testing!

-Josh

Awesome! Looking forward to seeing that on the track soon!!

[Belms]

Originally Posted by 'caster master

Hi, just wanted to offer another different opinion on the rules. I think using Nimh or Nicad batteries just creates more hassle and cost, most people have ditched their old batteries in favour of lipos. The same is true with brushed motors, pretty much everyone now uses brushless and having to purchase new motors and escs just creates yet another financial barrier of which there are already too many in R.C. car racing. The same goes for radios, no one wants to go back to the days of making sure everyone is on different crystals etc. In addition to this tyres should be open.

I think as a rough guideline cars should be pre 2000 but with room for exceptions and flexibility on the day so that if people turn up with something they are allowed to use it - a common sense approach would be needed. I also think 2wd and 4wd should race together as its only for fun and the most important thing is getting a good number of cars in the race. Having lots of rules and regulations will only put people off and create more cost and if anything, will make racing more serious and competitive as people do anything they can to squeeze performance out of outdated electrics etc.

I still have NIMH for the kids trucks (they are on brushed too), however I can see it being an unneeded expense if you chucked them in favour of LiPos, but limit to 2S is a good idea (as you said in your other post). I also have an old 27mhz acoms set, but the thought of having to mess with crystals and dodge 4' aerials puts me right off! As does having to mess around cleaning brushes and trim coms... I'm happy with 2s lipo, 2.4ghz and brushless if everyone else is... Just we may have to think about a motor limit if folks arrive with super-hot setups (though they would be mad to in a 20-year old car!!)
Open tyres also fine with me, however we should recommend carpet tyres, as old school hard spikes are hopeless (take my word for that!)

I think keep it simple, be flexible, minimise the 'guidelines' and keep it fun!

[36racing]

Completely agree with everything said, would be good to see you and your dad with yours if you still have them Jon

-Josh

[Rtsbasic]

Sounds good to me! Modern convenience, old school fun

I'll bring the RC10 T2 down maybe next week for some fun, if i can find the time to get it ready.

Now the decision for me is, RC10 worlds or RC10 B3? I've got mountains of parts suitable for both left from when I used to run them previously..

[36racing]

Are you buying one or do you already have one? I myself has just ordered a RC10 Classic for 189 from JE. Cheapest RC10 Classic I have seen new.
But if you want the obvious bit more, I would say RC10 Worlds.

-Josh

['caster master]

Glad that you liked the suggestions! We are on holiday at the moment Josh and we get back on Thursday the 21st but unfortunately not in time for racing. We can probably make the meeting on the next Thursday. Dad will definitely bring one of his old Tamiyas and I might bring one, only thing is mine is slightly modified... Its the rear end of a Tamiya manta Ray and the front of a Desert Gator to make a mid motor 2wd (not sure if this would be classed as vintage) We did this before most of the big companies did! If this doesn't count as vintage I could borrow dad's fighter buggy. I am enjoying the holiday and am doing plenty of cycling but at the same time can't wait to get racing again!

[36racing]

Yeah the car should be fine, wont have my rc10 finished but Barry will have his. Don't know on others. (I still need to get some electrics.

-Josh

[Belms]

Originally Posted by Rtsbasic

Sounds good to me! Modern convenience, old school fun

I'll bring the RC10 T2 down maybe next week for some fun, if i can find the time to get it ready.

Now the decision for me is, RC10 worlds or RC10 B3? I've got mountains of parts suitable for both left from when I used to run them previously..

This is entirely my opinion of course, but I'd say Worlds, mainly because it's 'more vintage' than the B3; however, do I remember you used to have a B3? I guess for you the B3 would carry extra personal nostalgia points.... But, you could always get a Classic gold tub like Josh and I!!
Barry

[Belms]

Originally Posted by 'caster master

Glad that you liked the suggestions! We are on holiday at the moment Josh and we get back on Thursday the 21st but unfortunately not in time for racing. We can probably make the meeting on the next Thursday. Dad will definitely bring one of his old Tamiyas and I might bring one, only thing is mine is slightly modified... Its the rear end of a Tamiya manta Ray and the front of a Desert Gator to make a mid motor 2wd (not sure if this would be classed as vintage) We did this before most of the big companies did! If this doesn't count as vintage I could borrow dad's fighter buggy. I am enjoying the holiday and am doing plenty of cycling but at the same time can't wait to get racing again!

Do bring the modded Tamiya, I'm interested to see it! If there's other Tamiyas along, I may bring the Hornet one week

[Belms]

Originally Posted by 36racing

Are you buying one or do you already have one? I myself has just ordered a RC10 Classic for 189 from JE. Cheapest RC10 Classic I have seen new.
But if you want the obvious bit more, I would say RC10 Worlds.

-Josh

Great to hear it's ordered!
It's a lovely car to build, enjoy it!

You just need to think about electrics now. Any idea what servo you will use? I've got a cheap-o MS one in it at the moment, I want to get something better (with a little more torque to bring the wheels back to neutral better), but have no idea what to get... Servos seem to have moved on in the last 20 years, my info is a little out of date lol

Also, are you going to put a 17.5t straight in at the outset? Certainly would be interesting to se how the stock motors perform on the track

[Belms]

Yay! Carpet tyres are on the new 'old school' 5 spoke RC10 wheels, and on the car!
Just gotta glue them, and it's ready to rock this evening


RC10 with old school 5 spoke wheels and new Pro-Line carpet tyres

[Rtsbasic]

Originally Posted by Belms

Yay! Carpet tyres are on the new 'old school' 5 spoke RC10 wheels, and on the car!
Just gotta glue them, and it's ready to rock this evening

RC10 with old school 5 spoke wheels and new Pro-Line carpet tyres[/url]

Looks ready for the track!! Will be interesting to see how it fares tonight

I don't have any vintage era chassis's at all at the moment, but I have ran RC10, RC10B2 & RC10B3 all before so still have lots of parts left over from way back. I'm a bit of a hoarder

I'm leaning towards the B3, just for the memories it brings back thinking about it. My old RC10 wasn't a gold pan, it had a full-on RPM chassis conversion, so pretty different.

Still drooling over the Worlds RC10 The thought just won't go away..

[rcmonkee]

I found this in the cupboard to compliment my vintage RC....





Doubt its ability to keep up with the RC10's but its definately vintage! Found the battery tray too. Just need some electrics and shocks. Would anyone have any suitable shocks?

[Belms]

Originally Posted by rcmonkee

I found this in the cupboard to compliment my vintage RC....





Doubt its ability to keep up with the RC10's but its definately vintage! Found the battery tray too. Just need some electrics and shocks. Would anyone have any suitable shocks?

I don't have any suitable shocks but what is it? Looks cool
TBH it's not my car that's going to slow me down.... I sure my driving will even up the advantage I may have with the car!

[36racing]

It arrived

-Josh

[Belms]

Originally Posted by 36racing

It arrived

-Josh

Awesome!
Keep us updated on the build progress

[Rtsbasic]

My entry to the vintage class this week, if time permits it to run..



Should be interesting Its an RC10 T2 (originally released 1995), rocking a 17.5T motor, and 45A ESC, so pretty in-keeping with other vintage cars

[Belms]

Here are the vintage guidelines we're thinking about, let me know what you think:
(It's mainly Johns suggestion)

Pre-2000 designed or built 1/10 buggy
Open radio
Open tyres
NiMH batteries
Brushed motor, 19t+ no timing

I think that covers it... Although you could say the above is to get championship points, but you can 'run what you brung' for new folks, they just don't get points unless they have the right kit.
Sounds good to me views appreciated

[36racing]

Sounds great,
Would allow people to be able to get gear pretty cheaply like I intend on doing myself. Under £50 for your electronics, you dont see that in modern tenth scale racing