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Yes - 4wd designed cars should be allowed to run as 2wd cars | 105 | 39.47% | |
No - 4wd designed cars should not be allowed run as 2wd cars | 107 | 40.23% | |
Not bothered | 54 | 20.30% | |
Voters: 266. You may not vote on this poll |
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#41
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I find it strange that with 1/10th off road we have two classes together. I've never run 4WD basically because it just seems like a second set of gear / maintenance time in order to do pretty much the same thing.
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23.6 All open gears must be enclosed or protected during racing procedures, so as not to cause injury.
I know this is to cover pinion and spur gears but where do we stand with 2 moving outdrives sticking out the front gearbox as they can be quite sharp?
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On a normal club night/am meeting we run 2wd and 4wd together, mainly as 4wd numbers are lower, can't say there's much difference, but that depends on conditions and track size I guess?
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Just to put my 2cents in, I don't really think 4wd to 2wd is a big problem as long there's no drive shaft on the front to the wheels an the centre drive shaft to the front diff is removed as well, in my eyes its then just a different variation of 2wd drive but I do think 2wd in a 4wd race isn't right, so what about weight being the same it's a 4WD race so all 4 wheels need to drive which u cannot do to a 2wd. I actually think 4wd may come a little redundant as what's the point as u dont technically need a 4wd car
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Be them not gears
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4wd would b quicker your right but technically u don't have to use a 4wd car so whats the point in calling it a 4wd class if u don't actually need a 4wd car that's all I'm trying to say mate
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Good question, I thought the same. Surely a 2wd running 2wd is faster than a 2wd 4wd.
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Where these 'evil' cars being driven by the top guys and so they would be fast with any car they drove.
Or did some 'no-mark' gain 20 places above his normal place? This is new to me as without an oOple report I have no idea who drove what.
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I agree but it's been in the BRCA rule book for years that, if a 2wd car reaches the min 4wd weight it can race. I've always found this very odd!
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Not in all cases, as has been proved by the sections elite drivers (and us club level ones) based on track conditions and type.
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If you think there's a benefit from a gyro effect - there's no stopping anyone running a brass flywheel at the front of a 2WD. Have it turned by the steering servo to throw the car into the corner more? I duno - I raced a K1 myself in 2WD - the geometry isn't as desperate for steering is all -and neither is the layout, so it's easier to drive on these stupid high grip tracks.
Dirt tracks only for a season see how it goes. It rains - big deal. Man up and run a nicely sealed up car. Couple of tyre choices, holeshots or something more meaty for a loamy dirt track like step pins or similar. I think I just went off on a tangent.
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I made the A Final at Stotfold with my Sv2 but I admit I tried my k1 without any driveshafts in the final round of qualifying. Not because I wanted to - as many of you who know me know I am dead against 4wd in the 2wd class - but because my main competitors were trying it so I had to in case it was quicker. I hated it. Car felt just wrong to drive so I went back to my sv2 and was more than competitive in the finals (I did most of the second leg in the middle of 3 converted 4wds).
It's a difficult one for sure. On the one hand you could take the view that it could help promote our sport (one car etc) and increase entries, but on the other it is against the 'spirit' of having 2 separate classes. For me there should always be 2 classes, and I agree with some of the comments above about how to word the rules to make this separation would be difficult. However, in my opinion a well setup 2wd will still be a better match than any converted car. Time will tell what happens I guess, but I'm in the 2wd only camp. Si
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I was there and witnessed this and to be honest I thought it looked shit! Awful idea and I really hope this gets sorted out.
It surely would not be in the interest of a manufacturer to sell one car only. It really surprised me that team drivers were allowed to do this as I expected manufacturers to insist that they are seen driving the car of that class? I for one would like to see 2wd's and 4wd's do their own thing.
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Me and my lad only run 2wd for the same reason.
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Exactly my thoughts on saturday
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so assuming sunday was dry, did anyone run 2wd in the 4wd meeting either 2wd or 2wd 4x4? and make the A or win, to back up your claim?
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I've written and amended rules for over 25 years including the original TC rules and the revised off-road rules. I cannot see any way that you can restrict the design of a car to be either a traditional 2WD or a traditional 4WD with today's designs. The horse bolted when you allowed mid-motor 2WD cars. If you'd stepped in as a Section at that point and said that a 2WD car must have the longitudinal axis of the motor behind, and parallel with, the longitudinal axis of the rear axle, this would not now be a problem. There is nothing you can write in a rule book now that would stop a 4WD chassis design being sold as a 2WD car. However much you might want to preserve 2WD as a class on its own, you've lost the chance now that mid-mounted 2WD cars are there. Personally, I always liked the simplicity and challenge of 2WD Off-Road and grew to prefer it to the 4WD alternative. It would be a shame to see it go in my view. The reality is that the best rule you can put in place to keep it like that would outlaw the mid-mounted cars and put a lot of your drivers to additional expense. Since one of the advantages of this current trend is the potential to reduce expense, that doesn't seem a logical move! I didn't vote - it's not 'my' class - but I would prefer to see a rear-mounted 2WD car be the design standard for that class. I am not sure if that is an opinion, or nostalgia talking! |
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