2nd June - LDA tyres - Page 2

cwp · #21 04-02-2013

The sticky clay is horseshit LOL.

V6Jim · #22 04-02-2013

It does clean down to a hard clay surface. Eventually. In small areas.

I used Schumacher Green Mini Spike fronts and Yellow Mini Spikes on the rear. Worked well enough, but I think if you could find a tyre that has slightly bigger spikes with slightly bigger gaps between the spikes it would work a treat. I don't think the compound is all that important as long as they're kinda softish. Schumacher full spikes are too far the other way.

Too much grip could be a problem too as a lot of cars, especially the Nitros, were grip rolling violently at the end of the straight.

So, in the mean time Mini Spikes are tried and tested..

Jimmy

andy110m · #23 04-02-2013

Its normally used for horses, like the venue used for Noel Nitro. Those guys used machines to take the top layer of loose dirt off to get to the clay underneath. At LDA the owner rolls the top but as the racing goes on the loose dirt is pushed to the outsides of the corner so berms start to appear and to me this is when the track is at its best.

On Friday this happened much sooner in the meeting with the 8th cars buzzing around. Anyone who didn't come missed out, these cars are designed to race on dirt after all.

MikePimlott · #24 04-02-2013

I think if this is going to be a venue for a regional then the surface needs prepping correctly, not just laying down pipe on horse shit and running tractor tyres.

Rolling and packing correctly like all the other dirt venues have done. The opportunity is there to make something special, Im sure Mark realises this or he wouldnt be trying so hard to get it going.

Proline dirt arena

RHR dirt

Harper Adams NEO

scotty_big_flip · #25 04-02-2013

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Originally Posted by andy110m

like the venue used for Noel Nitro. Those guys used machines to take the top layer of loose dirt off to get to the clay underneath. .

not 100% true sir. i was at the noel event talking to wez. they hoped to take the layor of dirt of and uncover clay, however what thay found was not clay but more like composted wood chip and horse poop. thats why all the jumps bar the big one (which was coverd with astro to stop crumbling) were dug out of the ground rather that being shaped above. i believe the Dirt works team (noel nitro) plan to import 30ton of clay to shape for the upcoming bunny boiler cup. Also it takes a team of around 20 people a week to build the 1/8th neo buggy meeting every year down at the harper addams collage. But hay im sure the LDA lads are more than up to the challange and i cant wait for the regional event.

andy110m · #26 04-02-2013

Mike, this is already something special and it is already a regional venue.

This dirt can't be compacted to be the same as Neo or RHR because it doesn't stick together, when it does berm up the ground underneath is hard and clay like.

Come on guys, lets get behind this and start to think of positives, instead of thinking what we can't and negatives. Its a track, same for everyone and like any other, its takes a lot of work to put on a regional so I think Mark should be supported in this.

A set of mini spikes or any open spike tyre and you'll have a good day, and not only that but the tyre wear we're seeing is nothing.

tinnylad · #27 04-02-2013

I don't think people are being negative, people who have been are just stating it was more like sand than the clay as others have been making out.

jampat2004 · #28 06-02-2013

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Originally Posted by tony12795

Apparently silvers clog up and that's not what Mark runs.

This is a very different surface to what we run normally and if the track was grass, astro or carpet any tyres will work and I would not give a flying sh1t, but it's not.

If I turn up and people are running tyres that are not normal for the uk then what happens then? I just want clarification of what tyres work and what does not.

Surely it's in the clubs interest for this type of track to spec tyres.....

Tony

Ballistic buggy greens are the tyres to use used on my 4wd and worked a treat.

Jesse James · #29 06-02-2013

Did some testing a while ago with Mark at LDA and Cut Spikes (available in medium and soft compounds) worked really well.

The Cut Spike tires are available from JC Racing Products.

http://www.jcracingproducts.co.uk/home/

coleman758 · #30 07-02-2013

The track is "DIRT"

Its never going to be clay like RHR.
The venue is ace, Its a real different style of driving.

Its something that the NW has been missing, Now it has it, people are moaning at it, Im seeing comments from people that have not even been!

Its a great venue and the regional should be good.

V6Jim · #31 07-02-2013

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Originally Posted by coleman758

The track is "DIRT"

Its never going to be clay like RHR.
The venue is ace, Its a real different style of driving.

Its something that the NW has been missing, Now it has it, people are moaning at it, Im seeing comments from people that have not even been!

Its a great venue and the regional should be good.

I agree 100%! It's dirt and it's lovely! At the end of the night it was like a Motocross track! Bumps and berms and jumps. Excellent fun!
Jimmy

Spencer Mulcahy · #32 07-02-2013

I think people are not complaining about the venue they just need to know what tyres to take for the regional and not take the wrong ones. It being such a different venue than what we are used to it should be a control tyre then there is no advantage for anyone. Southport is ny on a unwritten control tyre as we all know what works.

coleman758 · #33 07-02-2013

But surely people should test things before regionals?

I have tested tyres, my time & money why would I tell everyone?
There is plenty of club nights, including tomorrow come along and try it.

Spencer Mulcahy · #34 07-02-2013

That's the thing I can't race every week and I can't race Fridays so I won't be able to go to any club meetings to test tyres I will be at a disadvantage and I don't want to start throwing money at tyres that I won't use anywhere else just to find the right one. It does sound like a fantastic venue and I am looking forward to the regional and maybe other races with either 10th or 8th that I may be able to do but I want to take tyres that work.

andy110m · #35 07-02-2013

Matt makes a great point, we are having a meeting tomorrow evening. Who's going to come, have a great evening of racing whilst getting some testing done?

All welcome

Spence, Get yourself booked in for the meeting on the 17th of March buddy. Thats a Sunday and with plenty of notice. You and I have raced on Carpet, Astro, Wooden floors, concrete floors and tarmac, in all sorts of different buildings, only right we try dirt in an equestrian centre! I'll give you a sporting chance, I'll use a wheel tranny!

MikePimlott · #36 07-02-2013

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Originally Posted by coleman758

I have tested tyres, my time & money why would I tell everyone?

because thats the nature of the hobby, friendly and helpful

anything else just puts people off

Spencer Mulcahy · #37 07-02-2013

Andy I will take that challenge one day my friend lol, but the 17th I have my son for the weekend so can't race. I would have loved to do it bit of 1/8th and 1/10 th in one day.

V6Jim · #38 07-02-2013

Just put Schumacher mini spikes all round. Greens or Yellows or Silvers do the job. I used Green fronts and Yellow rears and the balance was perfect. Getting tyres that grip more might be a mistake - grip rolling was very evident. With the Mini Spikes you can just chuck it into corners with no worries!

Other tyres will no doubt work too, it's a pretty forgiving surface.

Jimmy

Jamie B4 · #39 08-02-2013

Is the surface wet or anything done to it as had a look at a couple of peoples cars that have been and they looked pretty bad. Just wondering if the cars will need a complete strip down after a friday night.

tinnylad · #40 08-02-2013

Definately need a strip down afterwards. I ended up with a big pile of dirt at home the next day! The sandy stuff gets everywhere.