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difference is the racers would vote on the proposal pdw mentioned, the esc blinky list in 12th was not a proposal!
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Amen to the jump thing! It has gotten out of proportion totally - imagine someone just starting in competition seeing the last Worlds Videos....
The first thing they are thinking is hell i couldnt even get around the track , cleanly let alone be competitive with moderate ammounts of money and no big sponsors.... Watch 2005 worlds videos and then see 2013 worlds vids... For Gods shake come to your senses... More broken parts means more spare parts bought i short term but in the end why bother when even if you dont crash hard everything gets sloppy and worn out so fast? When even Tebo cant make clean runs with a car that is slightly off , forget it for the rest... As for the 3 car thing and the motor far forward 2wds...tyres - lots of them for anything than pure astro tracks...and lets see who can keep up spending ... I then wonder why 1989 worlds videos with only 1 jump still had exciting racing and very few broken cars... What's the point of a 1/10th scale car jumping 2-3 meters in the air anyway? Does it correspond to anything real? Quote:
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Hard to tell, and lots if valid points!
I personally have way too many cars! Granted i dont run them all just hate selling most of them! We spend so much and never see any of it back Currently ive got 3 2wd cars set up and ready to go, TM2, TC02C and a TC02... I do change cars from time to time depending on the track conditions, but i didnt go out and buy them all at once, i had one, a new model came out, bought that then the latest (TM2) came out so i got that... My three cars all use the same wheels/tires so im not buying tires for each, just a set if wets, and a set of dry, replace when worn out... It all comes down to the individual at the end of the day, i do quite like the idea of a restricted class though, we used to do dirt spec, 19 turn motors, the racing was soo close! Brilliant fun! But again, its down to cost, motors were £30 then
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How about allowing the new horizon gyro and traction control would that level the playing field
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IMO it's not the car designs or manufacturers people should be looking at, the current trend for experimenting with new chassis layouts is more down to the track surfaces we're running on these days. Take away the stupid velcro like astroturf that seems to get put down now when tracks get resurfaced and you eliminate the need for different chassis layouts.
From what I've seen of the mid-mid motor 2wd's they're only any use on the highest grip surfaces and are very track specific, if the grip isn't quite high enough they can make good qualifying cars but aren't very good 'racing' cars. You have to drive very swoopy lines and keep your speed up, much like when 4wd's started moving from one way front diffs to full time 4wd it can be very easy with a traditional mid motor to point and squirt up the inside of someone driving a mid-mid. Personally I don't think there should be any rules introduced to specifically rule out any potential 2wd layout, as long as it only has two wheels driven let your imagination cook up anything! |
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Just make 2 classes1. Two wheel drive ,motor behind driven wheels.
2. Two wheel drive open. There is nothing to stop them racing together , but where numbers dictate have separate races! |
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Totally totally agree.... Keep it simple
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As far as I can see these arguments are pretty invalid, I shall do my best to explain why.
99% of people who race RC in this country are club racers. We roll up, talk crap for 5 hours at a race meeting, watch the local hotshot destroy the competition then we go home to our lives and talk the same shit here on oOple. We'll never win anything, and if you're deluded enough to think that having 3 2wd cars is going to make such a massive difference that you'll suddenly be beating Craggy and the other guys at nationals, you deserve to pay out the 2 grand it'll cost to kit those cars out so you can pick any of them up and race them at any given time. I bought 1 2wd car. It'll do me on dirt, astro, carpet, polished wood and i'll have to strip and change the motor layout to go to RHR for my twice yearly fix. Thats fine cos I know that Daz at York will still kick my arse round the track while he's fighting with Rich Lowe for the win. I'm fine with that, I know my limits. As far as the evolution of 2wd goes, its going to continue as it is, as long as companies want to make money, they'll keep producing hybrid cars to keep you spending. Thats what companies do after all...
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Genius!
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Being old school and ever the optimist, I say bin them all and go back to good old rear motor cars Cars would be on a more level par, much more fun and you only need one variation to race. Also only having one 2wd car to maintain, would allow more people to do a second class like 4wd, which is very under subscribed these days.
As a side note, if people feel they need to have three different 2wd cars, then this could push people away from the class and they concentrate on 4wd anyhow. Two wheel drive won't stay the favoured class forever.
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Rear motor class would be good
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There is a side to this that has not been mentioned - the newbie or potential newbie - we are all looking at this from the inside looking out. What about the parent who brings a kid along that is interested in racing for the first time? Then they look at the drivers competing with three and sometime four cars all with top line kit, ready to go and decide that maybe junior should find another hobby or sport that involves less outlay to be able to compete. I'm not saying that any of it is necessary but just think what it looks like to an outsider thinking of starting up. Back in the day it was the 6+ boxes of nicad batteries and expensive all singing and dancing chargers/dischargers, motor lathes, and constant rebuilds of said motors that put off several people that I knew that were interested. Racing is never going to be cheap in any scale but why make it potentially more confusing with ever more classes and stacks of gear, much of which will sit on standby, just in case? |
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when it gets too slippy for your mid motor and you want more grip, just stick an extra weight on the back, you want a more aggressive car just stick an extra weight further forward, no need for more than one chassis layout. i can get my homebrew mid motor round a track quicker than i can get my old b4 round the track anyday, its far more stable and predictable, even on very low grip.
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2WD 4eva..
Hhmm... as a guy who races 2WD leccy at club level I see the same guys with the same cars winning in the same way week in week out... it doesn't seem to matter what motor or battery config they use, they are just good drivers and could prob win if we all had the same anyways...
The computer that records the laps usually seems to sort the wheat from the chaff in the way it produces the heat and final sheets... it doesn't care if the cars are all the same or all different... For me a single marque and config is immaterial, but I would like to see everyone using the same config just to stop the manufacturers from producing .1's .2's etc of the same car, with little change but with big bucks profits for the luxury of being able to say "oh yeh, I've got the .2(or whatever)it's waaaay better.." Motor behind the rear wheels and battery straight down the chassis is the only 2WD for me... long may it live..!
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Its great to see all the varied reply's, both on here, facebook and texts ive had! There seems to be lacking responses from the sharp end of the hobby, however.
The general spirit of mid table to fun lovers of the hobby are all on the same boat, progression is of no importance, however its enjoyable to see -fun is mostly important. Which is what I agree with hugely, if there's no fun, what's the point! However what are peoples opinions of a national series, where one car may have a significant advantage over another on certain tracks, are you willing to buy said chassis, or just get on with it with what you have, or are you put off by the possibility of this happening? Again, all of which is a general debate - I find it an interesting time in our hobby with a lot of options are coming around more than ever. |
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I think you don't get what all these different chassis layouts are about. It's not only the difference in weight distribution but also a difference in weight transfer. When the motor lays parallell to the rear axis (like in a B4 or 22) the inertia of the rotor generates some kind of artificial weight transfer when you accelerate or decelerate, which affects the handling massively. Even the difference beetween a mm3 and mm4 configuration is a night-and-day difference. But personally i don't see any future for mm4 and midmotor cars on low traction. The only reason that you can drive for example a x6 cubed on low bite is, that it has so much weight transfer to the rear, but at the same time it looses all his rear grip as soon as you break, so you can not drive clear lines and have to point-and-shoot
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But as has been said, I think for most, finding the right chassis is more important than having all three layouts at hand.
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