just wondered cougar sv who is and what.

[Alfonzo]

Originally Posted by 8rad

By that logic how would any manufacturer be able to produce new kits with 90% new parts and expect to turn a profit? Besides, with the CAT SX2(big bore shocks) replacing the SX on store shelves it would have been cost effective to put the SX threaded shocks on the Cougar S1 because the tooling is already in place. It really does not matter to me because I have a spare set of SX threaded shocks I can use if I choose to get the S1.

I am just being devils advocate because I am enjoying this discussion.

I can think of at least three manufacturers that don't exist anymore, so turning a profit would appear quite tricky in this business. And who's surprised at that.

[T4miy4 Guy]

Originally Posted by DMS Racing

If the forum wasnt full of characters with there own opinion it would be a very dull place indeed......

I have all the time in the world for a person with their own piece of mind as long as their discussion, views and points are well constructed, thought out and I guess in a readable language, unlike some of the random text speak and poor punctuation we see all too often on here nowadays.......

Originally Posted by DMS Racing

What Wayne says is spot on, any "alternative spec" part (including plastic shocks) would ONLY be chaeper of thery already have it tooled up from previuos use, if it needed a new tool making it would not be any cheper for them.

Schumacher have confirmed to those of us who have spoke to them that the S1 will use the "old" style shocks that are used on current models like their nitro recreational vehicles

Just had too

Andy

[Darren Boyle]

Hey that post was at nearly 2am..... LOL

[mes]

[pro4nut]

Originally Posted by 8rad

By that logic how would any manufacturer be able to produce new kits with 90% new parts and expect to turn a profit? Besides, with the CAT SX2(big bore shocks) replacing the SX on store shelves it would have been cost effective to put the SX threaded shocks on the Cougar S1 because the tooling is already in place. It really does not matter to me because I have a spare set of SX threaded shocks I can use if I choose to get the S1.

I am just being devils advocate because I am enjoying this discussion.

Enjoying it as well!

Volume of production changes the efective cost of production. Going back years i worked for a small uk company making models, now the tooling cost for making a kit in plastic at that time was £10k and the price at pos for the kit was £20. We needed to sell 500 kits to pay for the mould but that assumes a 100% profit. Actual business profit margin was 10% and we at the time were a manufacturer retailer so we didn't have to pay someone else to sell our goods.
So we actually needed to sell 5000 units to cover the initial tooling cost.
Often we would manufacture a new kit which actuallly used another model as its base and had cast components to make it into something else. Then the only start up cost was new packaging and tooling for white metal casting at £200 a mould.

The tooling is in place for the existing shocks however these shocks have more parts and more operations required in machining increasing cost of manufacture = more expensive than using 'the old school' shocks.
Also, and i could be wrong the big bores are included with both versions of the sx2, so the shocks on the current sx may well now be out of production so little tooling advantage would be gained.

Thats enough for me

[toppers3933]

pro cf kit ordered today. how excited am i. it looks sweet.

[madwestmo]

Do you get wheels but no tyres with the pro kit ? Its a bit unclear on the website

Thankyou !

[Darren Boyle]

I have just spoken with Schumacher who have confirmed that NO the Cougars do NOT come with tyres in the kits.

[madwestmo]

just a set of rims ?

[mikeyscott]

Doesn't bother me as I think most people end up bolting on the tyres they need.

When I got my Cat SX I bolted on some worn tyres. B4 and XXCR didn't even look at the kit tyres.

[madwestmo]

yeh but i wasnt asking about tyres , i was wondering if the kit will come with a bare set of rims for you to put whichever set of tyres on you wish ?

[Darren Boyle]

Originally Posted by mikeyscott

Doesn't bother me as I think most people end up bolting on the tyres they need.

When I got my Cat SX I bolted on some worn tyres. B4 and XXCR didn't even look at the kit tyres.

Exactly, so why bother to include expensive tyres in akit that will never suit everyone.....

Our understanding is that the Cougar will include the wheels.......

[madwestmo]

thats good them including wheels as everyone can use these

[mikeyscott]

B4 rims at the ready

[B4 Sloth]

I emailed them last week,

no to tyres, yes to wheels.

Shame they could not have included a set of yellows really.

[mikeyscott]

Originally Posted by B4 Sloth

I emailed them last week,

no to tyres, yes to wheels.

Shame they could not have included a set of yellows really.

Problem is they are trying to cater for all markets and I think the no tyres option is better.