TRCC NE Indoor Off-Road Series Event + "The Aces"

[Adam Skelding]

Originally Posted by turbo_brick

And who at south shields was argueing and shouting across the track to race control about not being able to get into the rerun of a heat when they weren't running when it was stopped.

As it says in the brca book the race directors decision is final.

and on a final note as everyone who was there saw he won anyway, is there any point in winning by default.

But who sat down and took their 'punishment'???

A couple of people weren't running when it was stopped. One re-started so why didn't I?

[turbo_brick]

Originally Posted by Adam Skelding

But who sat down and took their 'punishment'???

A couple of people weren't running when it was stopped. One re-started so why didn't I?

Agreed you were man enough to take the punishment, but the argueing before hand wasn't exactly good.

As you pointed out there was no punishment given to him from race control.

[Adam Skelding]

Originally Posted by turbo_brick

Agreed you were man enough to take the punishment, but the argueing before hand wasn't exactly good.

As you pointed out there was no punishment given to him from race control.

It wasn't good, but I had a point and is was concrete. Unfortunately, Bill couldn't prove or disprove my point so after getting all heated I simply took his decision.

No direction was given from race control all-day. I shouted James twice and got Glenn to marshal for him, but for James to then try and cover up his error was poor. We have rules, when the guy who qualifies on pole for a meeting doesn't marshal its' pretty bad, I guess if it hadn't been one of your mates, you probably want a example made of it.

It's the simplest action we all do.. Race and Marshal.


It's been done now, James knows he made a mistake and was clearly pissed of at himself, to come past me uttering abuse was out of order.

[chrispattinson]

Merry Christmas everyone.

Race director decision is final. Maybe not consistent, but final.

Adam took it well at Shields to miss the rerun, and it was worth a bit of a protest from him to try to get in the rerun, I'm sure most people would have done the same.

My car was broken in that qualifier at Shields, but I broke it on the broken ramp which fell to bits, and hence was allowed to restart. Again, it was the race directos discretion.

Im not sure what the situation was at TRCC with the punishment dished out, but if the race director took action, or not, it is upto them to finalise the result.

Great drive by James, great drive by Adam and Lawson, don't think there should be any falling out over it.

So what was the official result from the race director? because I saw James get the 1st place trophy.

[Irri Tant]

Rule 20.5

All finals’ results will be published to allow competitors the opportunity to make objections within a maximum of 15 minutes following the
display of any final.

If the disqualification was decided after the 15 minutes / meeting (@ home or on the way home ) then surely it can’t stand.

[turbo_brick]

Originally Posted by Adam Skelding

No direction was given from race control all-day. I shouted James twice and got Glenn to marshal for him, but for James to then try and cover up his error was poor. We have rules, when the guy who qualifies on pole for a meeting doesn't marshal its' pretty bad, I guess if it hadn't been one of your mates, you probably want a example made of it.

No I wouldn't want an example made of anyone, ask anyone that knows me I'm the type of person who doesn't really care too much about following the rules to the letter.

At the end of the day it's supposed to be a hobby and fun, if you start getting to petty with the rules you will lose a lot of the fun. At nationals, worlds etc fair enough as that is supposed to be the top of the sport, regionals and large club meetings not so important in my opinion.

At south shields for the rerun I'd of probably made a different decision, but that has gone and the decision was made.

Peter

[johnboy]

My own personal opinion but yesterday was'nt the best regional ive been to. I know people have gone out of their way to run a race meeting and a big thumbs up for that but could it be possible for someone who knows how to use the race software to run race control. Most people got there at 8am and racing started near 11am. It was a long wait. Also i know we have been spoilt by places like Worksop, York and the old Teeside race track which are big halls but the track was not wide enough for overtaking . I know the club have to make the best out of what they have to use and please dont take this as me slagging off Teeside club because i used to enjoy the trip up to the club but yesterday was abit of a let down.

[Adam Skelding]

Originally Posted by turbo_brick

No I wouldn't want an example made of anyone, ask anyone that knows me I'm the type of person who doesn't really care too much about following the rules to the letter.

At the end of the day it's supposed to be a hobby and fun, if you start getting to petty with the rules you will lose a lot of the fun. At nationals, worlds etc fair enough as that is supposed to be the top of the sport, regionals and large club meetings not so important in my opinion.

At south shields for the rerun I'd of probably made a different decision, but that has gone and the decision was made.

Peter

Agreed. But not marshaling isn't petty. It's the thing that got drilled into all club members when I started racing 20 years ago.

To put Irri Tant's quoting to bed. The race director was made aware of the problem before the final ran.

As Chris said, I'm not going to fall out over it, but when people come on forums poorly informed, spouting their mouths off, it irritates me.

I wasn't going to stay around and complain, I had a 2 hour journey home for the second time in 2 weeks. What was done was done.

[turbo_brick]

Originally Posted by Adam Skelding

Agreed. But not marshaling isn't petty. It's the thing that got drilled into all club members when I started racing 20 years ago.

I didn't say the not marshaling was petty, it is something that everyone should do, I freely admit I didn't marshal in the first round but I got a couple of stand ins while I was sorting the computer problems, it was also noted that certain others didn't at certain points, if you are going to penalise one person you need to have someone watching every heat and marshal and make it the same for everyone. Is there any volunteers for this job???
At the minute it's hard enough for clubs to get enough people to run a regional let alone referee every heat.

What I said is some people get to involved in the rule book at what is supposed to be fun event.

Peter

[nobby]

adam on behalf of james he would like to thank you for getting glenn to marshal for him

welldone james.

i have noticed over the years some people don't like it when we have a new winner or someone who isn't in there gang.

i wasn't there, but what i have read we all make mistakes, and we have to learn from them.
i think james has learn't from his mistake now lets see if we can be big enough to congratulate him on his first regional win.

[Adam Skelding]

Originally Posted by turbo_brick

I didn't say the not marshaling was petty, it is something that everyone should do, I freely admit I didn't marshal in the first round but I got a couple of stand ins while I was sorting the computer problems, it was also noted that certain others didn't at certain points, if you are going to penalise one person you need to have someone watching every heat and marshal and make it the same for everyone. Is there any volunteers for this job???
At the minute it's hard enough for clubs to get enough people to run a regional let alone referee every heat.

What I said is some people get to involved in the rule book at what is supposed to be fun event.

Peter

Normally, it's the job of race control to monitor this with the help of the 'do not leave your point till you are relieved' axiom. It then self regulates itself.

If you are not relieved you point it out to race control. This wouldn't have helped on Sunday, but it was pointed out to Race Control.

So you think that the rule book should be 'bendy'. Opening pandora's box here.
People weren't too involved, I was surprised to find the ruling, most of us thought a 10 second penalty was the penalty to be applied, but we were shocked to find otherwise. 'Ask Damo who read the rule'

[Adam Skelding]

Originally Posted by nobby

adam on behalf of james he would like to thank you for getting glenn to marshal for him

welldone james.

i have noticed over the years some people don't like it when we have a new winner or someone who isn't in there gang.

i wasn't there, but what i have read we all make mistakes, and we have to learn from them.
i think james has learn't from his mistake now lets see if we can be big enough to congratulate him on his first regional win.

Tell him no problem
Your sarcasm I find amusing.
Your comments about being in gang's I find hilarious, having sorted James B4 out at South Shields outdoor regional last year I think you might find your comments misplaced.

But as you weren't there you must be in another gang.

[sosidge]

Originally Posted by johnboy

My own personal opinion but yesterday was'nt the best regional ive been to. I know people have gone out of their way to run a race meeting and a big thumbs up for that but could it be possible for someone who knows how to use the race software to run race control. Most people got there at 8am and racing started near 11am. It was a long wait. Also i know we have been spoilt by places like Worksop, York and the old Teeside race track which are big halls but the track was not wide enough for overtaking . I know the club have to make the best out of what they have to use and please dont take this as me slagging off Teeside club because i used to enjoy the trip up to the club but yesterday was abit of a let down.

I agree that the delay at the start was excessive, but in the end we got all the racing in quite comfortably, we could have even had 8 car finals in the end.

I actually thought it was a good overtaking track, there were several clear points where you could get down the inside on the way into a corner - first corner and the carousel into the centre jump were the best, but you could make a clean pass on pretty much every corner except the two with rippled mats. But it was narrow, and there was an issue with the carpet-to-slippy section in the carousel causing a lot of cars to understeer off onto the straight and I saw a few serious smashes because of that.

It actually reminded me of tracks in the 80's and 90's, before the invention of "big air", and in my opinion was all the better for it!

All in all I enjoyed the day. Would have enjoyed it more if I had got on top of the car setup earlier in the day, and if there hadn't been a "bonus" marshal point in the middle of the track in the final, which put the marshal's head directly in my line of sight for the jump down-ramp . But happy to get another 3rd in C-final trophy to add to my collection. One day I'll make the B...

[Lee]

Originally Posted by sosidge

I actually thought it was a good overtaking track, there were several clear points where you could get down the inside on the way into a corner - first corner and the carousel into the centre jump were the best, but you could make a clean pass on pretty much every corner

I cant believe you were racing the same track

There was nowhere to pass, you couldn't pass going through the carousel because you needed drive to get along side the car but this would mean putting your car on the slippy stuff.

First corner maybe but it wouldn't be easy as most cars were in a constant slide round there.

For me it was a good effort by those who made the track and i appreciate the effort, but the track was too tight to make it a good racing track, this was shown by the carnage in all the finals, including the a finals.

i dont think the chicane was needed on the back straight as this took away an over taking place down to the mat section.

2wd was better than 4 for me round the track, 4wd was just relentless, you didnt get a chance to blink. While 2wd was still hard work, the lack of power made it a little easier to drive

[johnboy]

yeah one of them i happened to be victim of just going down the straight and bang one front wishbone smashed and a few bent bits LOL.

[Lindsay]

As I may have opened a Hornets nest, I apologise to all.
My point from the start is that at Drivers Briefing it was stated that we are running to #BRCA RULES# by your REGIONAL rep.
No matter how you argue the rules were not applied.
That is my last comment on this issue

[turbo_brick]

My arguement has never been "x" rule was not applied, it's the same as I've said all year if you are going to stick to the rules it needs to be consistent(sp) over the meeting not just picking certain heats.

In my case it's never my heat that's looked at (although some of the driving needs watching)it's always the higher ones.

Peter

[Adam Skelding]

Originally Posted by turbo_brick

My arguement has never been "x" rule was not applied, it's the same as I've said all year if you are going to stick to the rules it needs to be consistent(sp) over the meeting not just picking certain heats.

In my case it's never my heat that's looked at (although some of the driving needs watching)it's always the higher ones.

Peter

Before we have been lucky with having referees who give time at meetings to referee.
Maybe we ought to look at refereeing ourselves. It's been done before. Each heat nominates a driver to referee the heat after they marshal.

It worked at South Shields.

Or the club who are putting on the event supply they're own referee's, it's in their interest to put on a good meeting.

As far as I am aware not one club has asked for any refereeing help at any round. So we can't complain when there is none.

[chrispattinson]

Originally Posted by sosidge

I actually thought it was a good overtaking track ...

I thought you would have tried a bit harder to get past then Dave, you had the speed, front wheel drive must have hindered you towards the end of the race.

[chrispattinson]

Originally Posted by Adam Skelding

Before we have been lucky with having referees who give time at meetings to referee.
Maybe we ought to look at refereeing ourselves. It's been done before. Each heat nominates a driver to referee the heat after they marshal.

It worked at South Shields.

Or the club who are putting on the event supply they're own referee's, it's in their interest to put on a good meeting.

As far as I am aware not one club has asked for any refereeing help at any round. So we can't complain when there is none.

I think it's too much to ask the club to organise referees (says me, the designated referee organiser for the Jarrow regional ), however, I think you've come up with a good idea Adam, Marshall number 10 should be a referee??? Could be a problem if you get an inexperienced driver with number 10?