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Old 18-06-2008
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Here is my final setup from York Regional:

front

springs white (no compreision spring)
oil 25wt losi
piston kit with standard rebound valve
pushrod above rocker
pushrod lenth 33mm
revised front arms - washers in front of wishbone
no roll bar
ride height 19-20 mm
front wing kit with standard lines followed
slight toe in with 1degree of -camber

rear

springs losi blue front
oil 35 AE
piston kit
middle hole on rocker
no roll bar
large rear wing with half guerney
toe in to middle of front wheel
rear upright in upper hole
ride height 21-22mm
Standard anti-squat

I was using worn schumacher yellow minispikes with the outer row cutoff rear and 1 and a half cut off outer front and 1 row cut off the inner front.

Novak 5.5R brushless motor [72 spur, 14/15t pinion]
Nosram Matrix Evo ESC
Associated XP DS1015 servo
EP4200

The track was very high grip on flat grass with some big features.
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Old 18-06-2008
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It looks like you guys are running a lot thinner oil with the new shocks than used to be the case with the old style shocks? (and different rate springs, softer?) Am I right?
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Old 18-06-2008
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having just re read ya post. im softer on oil due to the larger shocks generating a lot more pac so the car feels and is a lot more supple to drive but still lands off the larer jumps better than previously. as for springs i havent run a pred in years and have just stepped into the x11 with lewis and adam h for help with setting the car up. front wise im abouty the same as before and have personally taken out the compresion spring so that i can go softer on the rear spring hence being a rate down on what previous setups have shown

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Cheers Nathan. I'm going to try some experimenting this weekend with the ol' X10.
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Also the rear pistons in the 'new' shocks only have 1 hole, so thinner oil is used to get the same damping

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Old 28-07-2008
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southport national setup 08



front

springs blue (no compreision spring) 5 1/2 turn in older style
oil 22.5wt losi
piston kit with standard rebound valve
pushrod above rocker
pushrod lenth 33mm with shockball undone 1turn
revised front arms with 1 washer behind wishbone
cone washer replaced with 4 losi gold ballstud washers. 3 under outer ball with 1 above
extra midde hole drilled for roll bar
roll bar 1.2mm (standard) middle hole
ride height 18 mm (driveshafts just below level)
front wing kit with standard lines followed with shock cartridge white washer under rear mount
slight toe out with 2 degrees of camber

rear

springs blue (no compresion spring) 5 1/2 turn in older style
oil 27.5 losi
piston kit
lower hole on shock mount
roll bar 1.2mm in stiff hole in lowered position (pic to follow)
wheelbase lenthened 1mm
ride height 22mm drive shafts just above level)
1.5mm rear block (reduces on power steering)
large rear wing with no guerney
toe in to middle of front wheel
2 degrees of camber
rear uprite in upper hole

shumacher yellow minispikes with outside and inside row cut off rear and 2 inner and outer cut off front

5.5 nosram 14mm sintered rotor
19/72
nosram istc
speedo settings 2/1/1/1.

notes
6.5 geared on a 19/20 tooth much easier to drive
poss cut extra 1/2 a row off the outer front to get less snatch when grip was very high

any extra info you need feel free to ask or pm
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...roll bar 1.2mm again in middle hole in lowered position (pic to follow)
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1.5mm rear block (reduces on power steering)
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euh, some more info on this? You lost me? Rear block? Or is this a feature that only exists on the X11 (I have an X10)

thx!!
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Old 29-09-2008
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It is a inner rear hinge pin block that has been machined down. They are only on the X11 though.
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one of the advantages of the x11 over the x10 is that is has proper alloy hingepin holders. this obviously adds to the strenth as it now uses 3mm hingepins as well and means that we can adjust things like antisquat very easily on the car. admittedly the antisquat blocks are still in the prototype stages but as far as i know there will be a set of blocks released for the car once testing is completed.

hope that helps

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Well, i'm thinking about competing with my Pred (X10 with BB shocks) in a local competition. It will be indoors, carpet, but with some nice jumps and other obstacles.
I actually have a little movie about this race last year: (Youtube) GB in Brussels 2007 -- Of-road-heats
I will certainly be a similar track. And a big chance there will be a minimum chassi-height-rule of 15mm.

I only found the setup for Worksop Indoor from Mattym0310 and am wondering if this Worksop-track is one with jumps .. or in other words.. (question 1) will this setup be ok for me, as a good starting setup?

also (2.) what about the BB-shocks on my X10? Any ideas on setup of these.

I'm not looking for a ready-to-use setup, but more for a ready-to-start-with setup, maybe with some hints on what to expect and how to try to adapt the setup.

thx!!
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leave everything else as you would normally run it on astroturf, as for the shocks

front 25wt losi oil
piston standard
spring blue
with rebound valve
roll bar in the stiff position

rear 30wt losi oil
piston standard
spring white
no rebound valve.
roll bar in the stiff position

this is a good safe starting point although the team are working on this at the moment to improve it more. i will post a setup after this weekends worksop meeting
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I always forget what these springs have to be compared with. blue equals 5.5, wasn't it? And white = 6?
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blues are 5 1/2 turn, whites are the stiffest
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This is my setup at the moment and one that i have changed very little over the last few weeks... its been a great setup at Eden Park, Stotfold, Kidderminster, wet or dry.

The only mods i have done are to stand the servo up and finding some slightly longer shafts on the rear shocks (this can be achieved by undoing the joint slightly but with the risk of it stripping off). I've also dremelled a little away from the rear of the front upper wishbones to let the suspension droop more and taken a little bit off the rear hubs that catch the wishbones. Getting more droop front and rear has made a huge difference.


Rear
  • Red spring with compensator spring
  • middle hole on wishbone (thats with the longer shaft, may need lower hole)
  • Additional 57 hole in piston (standard one is about 57 also)
  • 25-30wt oil depending on temp
  • Hubs high
  • Roll bar in short link (rear hole in wishbone)
  • wing forward no gurney- see picture
  • toe-in 3 degs
  • 1 deg camber
  • ride height - 21mm (which is wishbone just below level)
  • max droop (measure with shuey mini spikes) - 45mm
Front
  • Spring - Yellow
  • Additional 57 hole in piston
  • Oil 30-35wt
  • ball joint done up on shock just showing thread
  • push rod turnbuckle - 34mm - mounted on top of yoke
  • top wishbone fully back (max caster)
  • ride height 19mm
  • max droop (measure with shuey mini spikes) - 40mm
  • Roll bar in short link (front hole in wishbone)
  • camber 1 deg
  • Slight toe out
Extras
  • Motor Tekin Redline 5.5 geared on 18/72
  • One-way shaft
  • Bumper cut down to improve ground clearance on landing jumps - see picture
  • Cone washers used on front hub ball joints to prevent them popping out of position
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any chance on some pictures of the mods you made, Kevin?
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any chance on some pictures of the mods you made, Kevin?
I've atached a picture of the chamfered front top arm that lets the suspension drop a little more. On the rear hub i've just realised that i only removed a little bit of material when i was running the hub low, there is no need to do anything to it in the high position.

The pictures above show the wing mounted forward, to be honest i'm not sure if others do this already but i found i had much more steering and it jumps better like this too.

I think thats about it... Let me know if there is anything in particular you wanted to see.
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anybody a set up for carpet indoor for a 08
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hiya mate,
i'm using Kev's set up at the moment.. posted just above ( clicky )

hope this helps,
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NERCR - Slippy floor and carpet, one large jump plus some rippled mats

Front
  • Blue Spring
  • Additional 57 hole in piston
  • Oil 35wt
  • ball joint done up on shock just showing thread
  • push rod turnbuckle - 34mm - mounted on top of rocker
  • top wishbone fully back except for two small washers
  • ride height - slightly lower than the back
  • max droop
  • Roll bar in long link (rear hole in wishbone)
  • camber 1 deg
  • Slight toe out
  • Standard wing
Rear
  • Blue spring with compensator spring
  • middle hole on wishbone (thats with the longer shaft, may need lower hole)
  • Additional 57 hole in piston (standard one is about 57 also)
  • 30wt oil depending on temp
  • Lower hole on the hub [high position]
  • Roll bar in short link (rear hole in wishbone)
  • wing forward half gurney
  • toe-in 3 degs
  • 1 deg camber
  • ride height - wishbone level
  • max droop

Extras
  • Motor LRP x11 bonded 6.5
  • One-way shaft - three o-rings on brake bias
  • Bumper cut down to improve ground clearance on landing jumps - see picture
  • Cone washers on top of front hubs removed and replaced with two 1mm washers underneath the wishbone and 1 on top.
  • Rear anti-roll bar lowered
  • Schumacher Mini-pins - yellow compound with blue foams/inserts
  • Cut the inner two rings off the surface of the rims (see picture)

I think i've remembered everything there
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