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[mobile chicane]

Heard a roumour today that the brca are concidering making 10th off road 5 cell and that 7.4 v lipos wont be allowed ( unless of course you devise some kind of restrictor circuit ?)

aparently it was in radio race car although I haven seen it myself.



getting a bit miffed though as I've got one of the brca aproved lipos and now I may not be able to use it at even club level if the decisaion is made to run 5 cell.

[spenner]

It won't be for this year, and i always thought it was the drivers that has to submit the proposal ie.. for lipos etc.

[Cockerill]

As far as I'm aware it is us, the racers, that make/change the rules. I don't think the BRCA can just change a rule as major as this without it been proposed and voted on at the AGM.

[Chrislong]

Many Touring Car organisations have spent the last two years, trying to slow the cars in an effort to reduce the 'melt-downs' and breakages.
In most International events, only modified motors are used. For this Class in Touring Cars: BRCA, Japan and all EFRA events use five cells. It could even be that Off-Road go to five cell in the future to keep cell packs the same in the 1/10th Electric Classes. Certainly we know it works in 2WD and I suspect 4WD would also be OK.

So where does the LiPo cell fit into these structures?? There is a possibility/rumour of 3v Lipo which could well mean 5 cell maximum / Lipo can run together, if allowed etc....

But then there is the new issue of the 5 cells packs being used/abused even harder, and so pack deterioration is increased. Id also expect the issue of "The team drivers get better packs" coming up again, which would be a shame.

In my opinion we should not go to 5 cell racing. Right now we have reliable cells (post IB4200's), and a level playing field in that anyone has the ability to make there own car go far faster than they require and last 5 minutes easily. So now each of us are making our own cars go as fast as our ability and conditions allow; granted, some go faster and crash more, but im sure we all have at times... although my opinion is open for change, and I'll listen to the pro's and con's before I make any further judgement.

The rules are proposed by the racers at the AGM, and have to be discussed and seconded to be accepted. So if anyone feels strongly about 5 cells and proposes it, there is a good chance of it being allowed. Equally if anyone attends and opposes this, then it may not get accepted. Its all about who wants what and which has more votes.

There may be a number of people who want 5 cell maximum, and many more than that who don't want it. But Human nature will mean those that want the change strongly enough will be at the AGM, whereas those of us who don't want the rule won't be at the AGM & we'll all think "Somebody else will oppose it". So guys, lets gauge the support here and get behind the vote rather than miss the AGM, get a rule which the majority doesn't want (but the majority stayed home) and complain about the result afterwards. that'd be a shame.

Chris

[Lee]

It really would make no difference at all to our class, if we lost a cell then we would just drop a motor, ie from 5.5 to 4.5, we wont struggle for run time as it doesn`t actually effect it that much. But we will be working the cells harder.

Mr BRCA, dont try and fix it if it isnt broken

[RogerM]

I agree with every word Chris says here (except the 3V lipo .... I know nothing about htat so can't comment)

[ben]

Me and rich lowe tried 5 cells at a york club night and tbh the only thing that changed was the smoother power input it gave. I still had pretty much the same run time. But if we went to 5 cells it sounds a silly thing but wouldnt all of the cell slots in the chassis be too long lol.

[albertobdq]

Hi guys, please notice that using 6v cells suffer a lot more and is life is reduced.

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by Lee

It really would make no difference at all to our class, if we lost a cell then we would just drop a motor, ie from 5.5 to 4.5, we wont struggle for run time as it doesn`t actually effect it that much. But we will be working the cells harder.

Mr BRCA, dont try and fix it if it isnt broken

actually it does
since moving to 5 cell, even the top TC drivers (olly jeffries, and world champ and moore can dump, on new fresh cells!
take a cell away and the amp draw goes up giving less duration and life ( please note i am refering to current TC cars, BUT they are exeriencing this and the reality is all the same)
lee last line, spot on, apart from allowing lipo as BRCA TC have

Originally Posted by RogerM

I agree with every word Chris says here (except the 3V lipo .... I know nothing about htat so can't comment)

same here but i feel 5 cell is a wrong move, it will make it more of a battery war, pumping up costs to compete at the top, yup im pro lipo but joe public can buy exactly the same Cell im supplied by trakpower, ask chris and tom what they think to old/used lipo's (they have a pack each of mine which are over a year old and been used allot, both will tell you there ok and as good as new) that will not be the case with 5 cell packs
i like ease of use, no messing around and best of all good life and performance

ive not heard of 3 volt lipo either?

Originally Posted by albertobdq

Hi guys, please notice that using 6v cells suffer a lot more and is life is reduced.

fully agree

[terry.sc]

Originally Posted by mobile chicane

Heard a roumour today that the brca are concidering making 10th off road 5 cell and that 7.4 v lipos wont be allowed

As Jim Spencer is tired of saying - "You are the BRCA". The BRCA isn't a secret organisation that decides what rules to impose on the drivers, the rules are chosen and proposed by all the members then those members attending the AGM vote on which rules they want to keep and which rules to reject.

If someone proposes 5 cells and the majority vote it in then you'll be racing 5 cell next year. Alternatively if someone proposes 10 cells or 3s lipo and the majority vote it in, again that is what you'll be racing. It's entirely down to the members, not the committee.
Look at the bikes, they have been running soft cased lipos for years because the racers wanted it and voted for it. If you want lipos then rather than talk about it in various forums someone should propose it at the AGM and see whether the majority vote for them.

And Lipo is current technology, A123 Li-Ion is the future

[b4rs]

its all right for you sponsored lot! us un sponsored sods have buy all our own equipment.
which means a full new set of 5c batteries.
never mind slower cars etc.

[Wraggy]

Originally Posted by b4rs

its all right for you sponsored lot! us un sponsored sods have buy all our own equipment.

and us sponsored Lot ! still have to buy equipment also ....

[Lee]

Sponsor

Whats one of them

[b4rs]

wraggy, dont you get most of your stuff free? from your sponsors?

[RogerM]

Originally Posted by b4rs

its all right for you sponsored lot! us un sponsored sods have buy all our own equipment.
which means a full new set of 5c batteries.
never mind slower cars etc.

If your that worried a 5 cell pack is just a 6 cell pack with a cell missing ..... disconnecting a cell should be easy enough, even in a stick pack!

[Adam Skelding]

Originally Posted by b4rs

its all right for you sponsored lot! us un sponsored sods have buy all our own equipment.
which means a full new set of 5c batteries.
never mind slower cars etc.

Or you unsolder a cell from your current 6 cell packs and make a 5th pack up out of your 'spare' cells like I did for my touring car exploits.

[rc10andy]

I have gotta be honest, all this sounds a bit much, after all we are talking about TOY cars here. These cars are toys and we r hardly talking about the F1 championship here. Its a hobby that should be enjoyed not complicated IMO.
Why would the BRCA want to fix something that isnt broken? Just a suggestion to Manufacturer pressure? If you ask me (as a newcomer to RC) the BRCA seem to spoil racing IMO and seem to be grumpy so and so's that just make things hard and cost more! But i dunno, would racing be non-existent without the BRCA?

To be honest i shouldnt really comment cos i havent had much racing experience but thats just how it seems from my expeience so far.
Andy

[Chrislong]

Yes, it is toy car racing. but it does need the rules and the racing is as competitive and close as real racing, so it needs the rules.

The thing we are discussing is what rule to go for in 2008. It is us who choose the rules, and its the BRCA who work it, and they work it well, so please don't diss them, they're only a group of fellow hobbyists who are good enough to put the time in to this aside from there careers etc.

[mark christopher]

go to be honnest, nimh or lipo, why should the car be restricted? the driver should be the restriced item and he/she should be free to choose cells and motor (dont curent rules allow 5 cell anyway? so why enforce it on everyone else?)

please dont make Off road like TC, lots of rules, not as much atmosphere and all about wringing the last tenth out of the car

i have found buggies to be fun, cheap, rewarding to drive (more down to driver than set up) oh and did i say fun
also the atmoshere and racers seem allot better as in willing to help/chat etc

take a look at how buggies are growin and TC is shrinking

[peetbee]

If you don't want 5 cells or you do want lipos then make the proposal prior to the next agm and then go and vote for (or against) what you want.
That's how the BRCA sets it's rules.