Team Losi Racing '22'- New 2WD buggy

[university_dave]

Provided it was submitted for homologation - including a production representative physical sample - to the BRCA before 01/12/10 it should be ok. The size of the pack meets the requirements.

[OldTimer]

Originally Posted by university_dave

Provided it was submitted for homologation - including a production representative physical sample - to the BRCA before 01/12/10 it should be ok. The size of the pack meets the requirements.

Hopefully the Losi guys can confirm.

[russmini]

Mmmm, ok so it does fit

The possibility of it not being BRCA Legal is a bit of a pain though. Hopefully these behind the scenes top boys have supplied it and it will be on the list.

I run a 4000mah at the mo and only ever take aroun 1400mah Max out of it, so don't mind dropping 200mah for a nice posh new LiPo.

And the statement about Losi producing a Lipo for their car... Hey, if you've got the resources, why not...

Although the thought of me running all Losi products is a little worrying, i'm going to have to rethink the tag, sLOwSI...

Anyone think of a Fast sounding rework ?

[Gnarly Old Dog]

Originally Posted by OldTimer

Will they be BRCA legal for 2011 ? hope so.

To coin a phase, "There's many a slip twixt cup and lip". Thus, it would be wrong to speculate about whether or not they meet the BRCA homologation requirements until after the procedure is complete and the list is published.

But I am anxiously awaiting its publication...

Fingers and toes crossed.

[OldTimer]

As long as you got them submitted that's the main thing, hopefully everything will go ok and we will then have another tuning option

[Darren Boyle]

When I was told about the new LIPO by the guys at Horizon I have to admit I was not convinced, it seemed like a specialist battery to suit just one car to me, but as a tuning option I am coming around to the idea of it slowly.

I guess it just felt like you "had" to buy a new battery for a new style of car layout (which is no worse I suppose than HAVING to by saddles for a new 4wd when you have run sticks in the past), a battery that would then not fit other models and applications to the best of their needs, BUT to create more room and to move around (back and forth) in the car is kinda cool i have to agree (far cheaper than lumps of brass as a way of getting the balance right).

However I have got to add, to all those who have said you dont need the 6000+ LIPO's (who are all correct by the way), seing as this battery IS smaller (in capacity), you would expect the price to be a little smaller too in fairness and it isnt, it is still up there priced with the best of them......... Given the choice of a 6000+ 60C or a 3800 60C for the same (or even less) money, many racers will get the most they can for their hard earned cash in my opinion.

So come on TLR/Horizon, get it on the market for around £60/70 and you are on to a winner!!!

[Smartalec]

The idea of the smaller lipo is very good for tuning and running at national or regional level where you have loads of time to charge you'd still only need the one pack which makes it cost effective but where it falls down is when you are racing at club level and charging time is tight, for this you would need more than one pack. Personally, i'd stick with the larger capacity pack, this way you could run 2 or 3 races on a club night and just top up between runs when the time is tight.

As Darren said, it wouldn't be too bad if the pack was considerably cheaper than the others ............. god, did I just agree with Darren?, I must be getting REALLY old

[RogerM]

Doctor for Mr Springer ..... we are loosing him

Options are always good and I guess in a competative market place having something unique means potential for open house on pricing, just depends on how many they want to sell!

I must admit that I had some interesting ideas the moment I saw this cell.

[RudeTony]

Originally Posted by DMS Racing

(far cheaper than lumps of brass as a way of getting the balance right).

Darren - Hi yah you old tart - how can it be cheaper if you have to buy the Lipo dude!
You know you can buy a lot of brass for £70 odd pounds.
Only playing with yah but the only comment i have is the Lipo will never be heavy enough to act as a tuning aid. Good idea though and for sure everyone will have.
BUT - brass is where it's at boys - LOL
Have a nice Christmas all

[Darren Boyle]

Hi Tony,

Hope your well mate, have a good Chrimbo too ;-)

I meant that since you need a LIPO in both scenarios (with or without weights), having the smaller LIPO saves you buying the bigger one in the first place (I knew what I meant - pherhaps the manflu is getting to my brain now) hence you weight placemnt and tuning is done with moving the battery around rather than adding weights. PLus of course your elctrics can move around too to aid the tuning I guess....

We all know what racers are like, they will have the small LIPO (plus big ones too no doubt) plus weight tuning kits, whatever it takes to have all the options at their disposal......

[sparrow.2]

Originally Posted by RudeTony

BUT - brass is where it's at boys...

Brass chassis FTW!

[Nick Goodall]

It was about 10 years ago that my Dad said to me (and a few others) that Lipo's from mobile phones (as that was the only place they were commonly used) would definitely be the future, and he said you can imagine the battery being a clip on section to the bottom of the chassis, exactly the way a mobile battery clips on to a phone...

Would make perfect sense to me, get the weight as low as physically possible and have it designed perfectly to fit

[Mr. Red]

Hopefully brass will be a thing of the past with this car.

[Gnarly Old Dog]

I think Brass is a terrific material and will be used more and more in the future.
The way we are all thinking about our car set ups and using ballast to tune to individual preferences and characteristics means that a dense material makes most sense.
Since lead is not a nice material to play with and gold is a little bit too expensive, Brass gets my vote all the time.
Stainless Steel would be cool also but I can't see weight plates and weight tuning going away any time soon.

Like Tony says - the lipo itself is too light to effectively be used to change the weight distribution but it does open up a whole host of ideas on where you could use some effective ballast material if need be.

Also, in the US, many stock class racers still like to run as close as possible to the ROAR minimum weight limit. The little LiPo helps hem to achieve this without having to sacrifice any of the car's inherent strength or weight.

Anyhow, as others have already observed - hopefully, this new LiPo will help open up tuning opportunities that had previously been thought of as not possible with the traditional sized cells.

Or maybe even a 2S 1/12 link car or even a mardave caterham - that would be fun to see

[sosidge]

So the car isn't out yet but Losi have already decided that the weight distribution needs "tuning"?

I thought there were a few Cougar design cues in there.

The short pack will let them shorten the wheelbase if they want to as well. Tooling a new aluminium chassis plate is pretty cheap.

Very interesting.

[Chrislong]

It won't need tuning, recent results in Bloomfields hands proove it is great.

Tuning is marketing, giving people more tuning options sells more products in the belief of advantage (whether the advantage is real or not), thats all.

[till]

so Gnarly, could you tell us how heavy is the car with a -normal Lipo? -this smaller Lipo??

[The Hoff]

Originally Posted by Gnarly Old Dog

I think Brass is a terrific material and will be used more and more in the future.
The way we are all thinking about our car set ups and using ballast to tune to individual preferences and characteristics means that a dense material makes most sense.
Since lead is not a nice material to play with and gold is a little bit too expensive, Brass gets my vote all the time.
Stainless Steel would be cool also but I can't see weight plates and weight tuning going away any time soon.

Like Tony says - the lipo itself is too light to effectively be used to change the weight distribution but it does open up a whole host of ideas on where you could use some effective ballast material if need be.

Also, in the US, many stock class racers still like to run as close as possible to the ROAR minimum weight limit. The little LiPo helps hem to achieve this without having to sacrifice any of the car's inherent strength or weight.

Anyhow, as others have already observed - hopefully, this new LiPo will help open up tuning opportunities that had previously been thought of as not possible with the traditional sized cells.

Or maybe even a 2S 1/12 link car or even a mardave caterham - that would be fun to see

Are you using any brass weights in the car at the moment ?.

[Gnarly Old Dog]

My car ran at Taplow at around 1700g and yes, to achieve that weight, I did have to 'tune' () it using some weight.

The small LiPo is about 100g lighter than the saddles I've mainly used during testing. All I did at Taplow was to use additional weight to bring the car back up to a weight I felt comfortable with.
It would be possible to run the car very close to the minimum weight limit at about 1500g if you should wish to. I've run mine at different weights between 1600g and 1750g - sometimes depending on conditions, sometimes just to see what it would do.
My fastest single lap in testing was achieved with no added weight but I wouldn't be able to hold onto it for 5 minutes like that (although I'm sure Bloomers would be able to)

I'm sure some will like it lighter, others heavier. All I have found (as with every other car I've driven in the past 4 years) is that adding weight helps me become more consistent as my reactions are not what they once were

[TryHard]

Originally Posted by Gnarly Old Dog

One of the advantages of the 96mm battery is that it can enable you to be a little bit more creative with your whole electronics install and thus gives you a bit more freedom to tune your weight displacement as you see fit.

This is my install - as I ran it at Taplow. It took an TC racer with OCD to figure it out for me cos he hated the long motor wires.

It might look a little bit unconventional for a buggy - but hey, 3 years ago most of us thought the motor looked weird when that was placed in front of the rear axles and now look at us

Not only does it allow the wiring to be a little neater, it also gives a little bit more space laterally because the front of the chassis is narrowed slightly by the front bulkhead / servo mount brace and it's tricky to fit the castle MMP and the Spektrum receiver side by side although even that is possible as my 2nd photo will hopefully demonstrate. I took this on during the initial build to show that the MMP would fit underneath the bodyshell - even with the fan installed.

Anyway - hope this helps.

Andy

Did CJ do this... I know he hates long wires, and the all black is a hint. Still remember being chastised about having power wires going over the top deck in my TC (oh the horror!)
Have improved since mind, Mamba/BEC/Spek micro&6040 all fit (just) in the latest one, and neat(ish). He'd be proud

22 install does look neat though