Lazer zxr

[alcyon]

Originally Posted by oli4ke

Rama, The only 2 Partnumbers of those "diff kits" with new outdrives are WBD-1 for the rear and WBD-5 for the front diff.
WBD-2 Is a ball set, WBD-3 is the diff casing and WBD-4 are the 2 pressure plates.

Oli, the manual excerpt.

[Welshy40]

Originally Posted by Ema

If a day I will be able to build my dream slipper I will start using a 3M 14 teeth HDT pulley bar in order to get rid of both LA11 and the front one way.
Then I will cut the bar at the desired lenght and machine both ends in order to fit the two large bearings.
I will drill a hole in the middle in order to fix the pulley section to the axle with a grub screw.
Obviously the axle that will go inside the pulley section has a end section to fit the B4 slipper .

Can you figure out the whole assembly without a cad drawing ?

Here's the link of the pullay bar
http://shop.polybelt.com/3M-14-Pulle...3M-14-100A.htm

Bye
Ema
P.S. In my dreams the pulley will also be hard anodyzed .

Interesting, but the one way on this car on high grip at least is a second a lap quicker than a solid layshaft assembly. You can lock the one way easily though with a tightened locknut.

You have given me an idea. How about getting those alloy pulleys with a slot on and make the layshaft in such a way that the layshaft we design locks into it so that in that way we do not need to do that much to make the B4 slipper assembly fit. By doing this design and basically bolting the pulley onto the layshaft this takes that large hub out of the equasion and means that with a long flat section on the remaining part of the layshaft the slipper assembly should fit perfectly into place. Ok we may need to design a section to go through the drive bearing that slots into the layshaft pulley but if we can then this means rebuilding will be easier and the rear drive pulley will significantly last longer due to it being alloy.

[isobarik]

Originally Posted by alcyon

iso, what are the part numbers ?

Wbd-4 are for the diff washers as i call them or...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kyosho-WBD4-...-/110607182238

preassure plates.

WBD-5 are the new outdrives with T-nut spring and using seperate diff washers ( wbd-4 )

so thats the things that you want

mvh Isobarik

[isobarik]

Originally Posted by oli4ke

Rama, The only 2 Partnumbers of those "diff kits" with new outdrives are WBD-1 for the rear and WBD-5 for the front diff.
WBD-2 Is a ball set, WBD-3 is the diff casing and WBD-4 are the 2 pressure plates.

Actually its like this

WBD-1 are the old outdrives

WBD-2 are the small screw and small balls for the thrust bearing the balls for the screw hm ... screw with balls ?? you get what i mean ....for the old style WBD-1

WBD-3 is the balldiff pulleys set for the ultima optima / mid

WBD-4 diffwashers

WBD-5 new out drives called RR using T-nut spring

WBD-6 the screw and T-nut for the WBD-5 new part number are um-121 hard to get

WBD-7 are springs for the WBD-5

mvh Isobarik

[oosh123]

Originally Posted by Ema

If a day I will be able to build my dream slipper I will start using a 3M 14 teeth HDT pulley bar in order to get rid of both LA11 and the front one way.
Then I will cut the bar at the desired lenght and machine both ends in order to fit the two large bearings.
I will drill a hole in the middle in order to fix the pulley section to the axle with a grub screw.
Obviously the axle that will go inside the pulley section has a end section to fit the B4 slipper .

Can you figure out the whole assembly without a cad drawing ?

Here's the link of the pullay bar
http://shop.polybelt.com/3M-14-Pulle...3M-14-100A.htm

Bye
Ema
P.S. In my dreams the pulley will also be hard anodyzed .

Ema, That's what I was trying to say when I asked about the one ways. Permanently mounting the pulleys to the layshaft and forget about the one ways was what I was thinking about too. And of course incorporating the B4 slipper into the design.

[oosh123]

On another topic, these will be available at the end of this week, or early next week. =)

Front and Rear Kevlar Reinforced Polyurethane Belts for Lazer



PM me if you would like to order a set.

[oli4ke]

Originally Posted by alcyon

Oli, the manual excerpt.

Rama, Which part do you mean? Item 59 or 39 the plate holder? (the numbers are hard to read)

If you need a set for the rear you need WBD-1 due to the fact that you need a big black spacer between the plate holder and collar! And the big black spacer is not included in the WBD-5 set!

You can use the pictures in my email as reference.
If you need WBD-4 OR -5 Or WBD-1 ,I have plenty of them. Also 1 WBD-2 ball set available You have my email address right

[isobarik]

Originally Posted by oosh123

Ema, That's what I was trying to say when I asked about the one ways. Permanently mounting the pulleys to the layshaft and forget about the one ways was what I was thinking about too. And of course incorporating the B4 slipper into the design.

yeah i have been thinking about that too just an wide pulley and take it down to 8 mm in the ends for the bearings and then just drill that sucker for the right shaft should be the easiest way.

hm ...where did i put that delrin layshaft

mvh Isobarik

[oosh123]

Originally Posted by isobarik

yeah i have been thinking about that too just an wide pulley and take it down to 8 mm in the ends for the bearings and then just drill that sucker for the right shaft should be the easiest way.

hm ...where did i put that delrin layshaft

mvh Isobarik

Forget about the delrin layshaft, the torque from the motor will twist your delrin.

I am thinking about heat treated steel or Stainless steel 440C=)

[isobarik]

Originally Posted by oosh123

Forget about the delrin layshaft, the torque from the motor will twist your delrin.

I am thinking about heat treated steel or Stainless steel 440C=)

i was thinking of having the assocated axle go inside the delrin shaft to support and hey i said associated shaft since its way cheaper to get those then the kyosho ones i think its half the price and the slipperplates are like 1/4 ..........

Btw oosh does belts look sex real sexy ....

mvh isobarik

[alcyon]

Originally Posted by oli4ke

Rama, Which part do you mean? Item 59 or 39 the plate holder? (the numbers are hard to read)

If you need a set for the rear you need WBD-1 due to the fact that you need a big black spacer between the plate holder and collar! And the big black spacer is not included in the WBD-5 set!

You can use the pictures in my email as reference.
If you need WBD-4 OR -5 Or WBD-1 ,I have plenty of them. Also 1 WBD-2 ball set available You have my email address right

Part 59 oli ,called the plate holder,if i have this part, i can use WBD-4 diff rings.

[alcyon]

Originally Posted by isobarik

Actually its like this

WBD-1 are the old outdrives

WBD-2 are the small screw and small balls for the thrust bearing the balls for the screw hm ... screw with balls ?? you get what i mean ....for the old style WBD-1

WBD-3 is the balldiff pulleys set for the ultima optima / mid

WBD-4 diffwashers

WBD-5 new out drives called RR using T-nut spring

WBD-6 the screw and T-nut for the WBD-5 new part number are um-121 hard to get

WBD-7 are springs for the WBD-5

mvh Isobarik

iso, which bag contains the spacer number 59? is it WBD-5 ? i see only 1 spacer in one bag ?

[oosh123]

Parts can still be purchase on ebay

WBD2 - can be purchase anywhere if size is known

WBD3 for GBP 3.75

http://www.ebay.com.sg/itm/Kyosho-WB...-/290388855005

WBD4 for £3.96

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kyosho-WBD...item19c0b3a99e

WBD5 for £7.26

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kyosho-Bal...08675449978880

WBD7 for £3.95

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kyosho-WBD...-/290639311999

[oosh123]

I would also like to build a ball diff for my Lazer ZX. 39506 is too expensive. What do I need to build the original ball diff?

BD-1? or BD-5? BD-7 spring? or BD-2's spring washer like thing?

I need a complete list of part numbers for the ball diff.

Thank you.

[oli4ke]

Originally Posted by alcyon

iso, which bag contains the spacer number 59? is it WBD-5 ? i see only 1 spacer in one bag ?

Below you can find a link of a draw from the rear option house diff (W-0108)
Please use the link and see page below, second diff of the 3.
You can see on the right hand side of the diff housing, first you have to glue the yellow pulley flange on the diff house, second you need the WBD-4 pressure plate then you need the plate holder and at last you have the big black spacer, bearing etc...

http://www.rc10talk.com/download/fil...6020&mode=view

The big black spacer that goes in your rear diff house (ref link) is not included in WBD-5 and is only available in WBD-1 bag!
Number 59 2ea plate holders are present in WBD-1 and WBD-5 bags!

[isobarik]

Originally Posted by alcyon

iso, which bag contains the spacer number 59? is it WBD-5 ? i see only 1 spacer in one bag ?

both the WBD-1 and the WBD-5 does incl the plate holder

I would go for the WBD-5 since i have both version and the WBD-5 are better.

I think its still possible to get the plate holders / thrust washers from RW-racing but i dont know if they use the standard diff washer WBD-4 or are going with the stealth diff rings wich was a popular item back in the days.

mvh Isobarik

[isobarik]

Originally Posted by oosh123

I would also like to build a ball diff for my Lazer ZX. 39506 is too expensive. What do I need to build the original ball diff?

BD-1? or BD-5? BD-7 spring? or BD-2's spring washer like thing?

I need a complete list of part numbers for the ball diff.

Thank you.

LA-1 diff pulleys
WBD-4
WBD-5

some 3mm diffballs of youre choise

If you wanna go a bit special for a display or maybe front diff...you can use the spw-121.01

wich are the same stuff as the WBD-5 but in delrin

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Kyosho-SP...item439c1cc597

mvh Isobarik

[isobarik]

Originally Posted by oli4ke

Below you can find a link of a draw from the rear option house diff (W-0108)
Please use the link and see page below, second diff of the 3.
You can see on the right hand side of the diff housing, first you have to glue the yellow pulley flange on the diff house, second you need the WBD-4 pressure plate then you need the plate holder and at last you have the big black spacer, bearing etc...

http://www.rc10talk.com/download/fil...6020&mode=view

The big black spacer that goes in your rear diff house (ref link) is not included in WBD-5 and is only available in WBD-1 bag!
Number 59 2ea plate holders are present in WBD-1 and WBD-5 bags!

the big black spacer are for keeping the ballbearing in the right place

and they have replaced it with an aluminum collor/sleave instead

If you look at the pic you will see it just next to the long outdrive silver finish

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Kyosho-Bal...08675449978880

mvh Isobarik

[isobarik]

Originally Posted by isobarik

shall snap some pics of the middleupperdeckmount when i have mounted it to the chassi...just had to mention i comes with ball bearings and screws for the belt tension ....

mvh Isobarik

As promised ...........



i have just mounted it to the "ema chassi" for photo so i dont know if its the right way. And yes i got the chassi from ema hence the name Ema chassi. All the parts for the belt stretcher is there i have just not mounted them. And the screws are Ron screws ...

mvh Isobarik

[alcyon]

Originally Posted by oli4ke

Below you can find a link of a draw from the rear option house diff (W-0108)
Please use the link and see page below, second diff of the 3.
You can see on the right hand side of the diff housing, first you have to glue the yellow pulley flange on the diff house, second you need the WBD-4 pressure plate then you need the plate holder and at last you have the big black spacer, bearing etc...

http://www.rc10talk.com/download/fil...6020&mode=view

The big black spacer that goes in your rear diff house (ref link) is not included in WBD-5 and is only available in WBD-1 bag!
Number 59 2ea plate holders are present in WBD-1 and WBD-5 bags!

Yes exactly ! it should pe part number 3 in these instructions !