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Nope, but I did something so simple, I called them on a phone and asked them direct.........
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I actually spoke to MRT..... You last paragraph makes no sense those with recent my laps don't need to upgrade?..
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PT's are just one of the awesome things I love about racing now. For club racers / new racers / lil Jimmy with his £50 second hand car - it's a real shame that a new modern hand-out that's robust and reliable isn't developed. I'd never have started racing if I had to buy a PT first.
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jimmy i agree all this could be putting new drivers off racing
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The major sanctioning bodies, like, IFMAR - should surely know that PT's are both good and bad. Some pressure and petitioning of Mylaps to reintroduce a system of handouts would surely help the hobby world-wide.
Once you're hooked on racing, a PT sells itself because it makes life easier. oOps - have I just upset everyone with a sensible idea again
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That's ridiculous! What you're saying is like suggesting that whomever invented the automobile, that every other manufacturer of automobiles (including all the British car companies) are "fake products." AMB/MyLaps have repeated tried to increase the cost involved in using their products - from discontinuing "handout-out/club" transponders (with the introduction of the original "personal transponders 6 or 7 years ago, to the introduction of their smaller 2-wire transponders 2 years ago (to compete with the smaller MRTs), and now with their 3-wire transponders (I can't keep up with all the names you guys are assigning to the models - purcy, harry, etc.) and corresponding RC4 decoder intended to kick MRT out of the game entirely. The reality is, and I don't care how much anybody wants to spin any of this, is that MyLaps is trying to create a monopoly by cornering the market. Quote:
And you're correct about the handouts too. It was just last week a newbie father and son showed up at the track, all excited about racing, but at the end of the day he lamented to me about the £180 (he was quite shocked) he was going to have to dish out just so he and his son could race. |
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I think people got to get it out of their minds that MyLaps are forcing MRT out, conspiracies etc, as really, if you look at it, MRT are the ones that copied MyLaps and are now falling foul of it. Maybe, as well as shouting at MyLaps to reduce their PT costs, we should do the same to MRT to support their product which is now being forced out of market?? But, as I say above, Mylaps is the original, MRT is a very good copy, but that is all it is, a Copy, I am sure if someone started selling a phone that operated on iPhone software without Apples authority, they would be in deep doo doo...
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Got It! I guess at that rate, since we're trying to put down manufacturers for "copying" - then anybody that's not driving an A-arm based suspension car that isn't branded Team Associated, and anybody that's not using an Electronic Speed Control that's branded Novak, is wrong too. |
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I've said this before, but i'll say it again - you're thinking as RC Car racers, i.e. you're thinking that what we do is the deciding factor in how MyLaps goes about it's business, we're quite simply not. The entire timing industry is Personal. RC Car racing is a small part of the market they supply, we don't determine it, we're just a part of it. Next bit is there ARE Alternatives. I've been and visited them too, and it's facinating stuff, transponder is a bit bigger and a bit heavier, but arguably at least as good as MyLaps stuff and certainly the brand is much higher profile - actually has a brand 'Image' etc But it's not cheaper. And it's not compatible. To Illustate:- What you'll see if you visit MyLaps web site is a list of the sports where their product dominates and yes RC Car racing is listed. If you go to the comptetion You'll see a list of the sports where their product dominates and RC Car's isn't listed The 'competition' in the industry is basically to win an entire sport (or in the case of the BIG ones a definate, clearly defined, part of it) as if you end up with Both timing manufacturers involved in one area then the poor competitor ends up having to carry two transponders all the time.. This is why you're thinking that it's a monopoly, it isn't it's just that MyLaps got RC Car Racing first and has hung onto it.. In a way that's good as the majority of the UK racers who have a PT have an Amb/MyLaps one - and hence arn't even worried about this thread what-so-ever. Can you imagine what fun it would be if there were actually several different timing systems in use, none of which were compatible with each other.. Be carefull what you wish for.. |
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nicely put Jim, the voice of reason . as always
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I know what I wished for - 18 years ago - was that I didn't have to shell out £2,500 for a decent desktop because there was lack of competition in the marketplace. Now I have a laptop that 5-times the power, 10-times the memory, 15-times the software compatibility..... and...... wait for it.......... costs 1/6th as much. Happy Days! |
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And that didn't quite work did it - anybody got an Apple Mac? Oh and I think the scale is about by about a factor of a 100k or so |
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Surely they have some influence? What good is it for the sport to not have hand-out transponders. It's technically possible and would help the sport - and in turn also sell more PT's when people become hooked. Or they can just go dick about in a carpark like probably 95% of R/C cars sold in the country. This statistic is entirely fabricated - but you see the point. There's plenty of people interested in R/C cars who've never really been interested in racing because it looks too serious - and I'm sure buying a bit of timing equipment isn't really gonna help matters. My mate came to a club race - he only came once since he didn't really enjoy it much (it was a TC race, btw) which is fair enough - but he'd not even have been able to go if he had to have a PT. What I'm getting at is handouts - bring them back!
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Rob, when your car breaks down, the local garage can plug it into an OBDII reader, and obtain a generic code or you can take it to a main dealer and have it plugged into their reader and have a full diagnostic.... which costs more.
You keep comparing Generics and specifics.
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I suppose part of the thing that gets under my skin is that - during this period from when we all went from using handout PTs to shelling out the bucks to buy our own PTs, and then the forced upgrading of the decoders - is that we're paying for something that hasn't really changed or been improved from the barebones basic model I first saw at the track 25 (what?) years ago. We've got these little bingers in our cars that count our laps and give vaguely accurate lap times. If these systems were designed in a way, such as they are have been in 1:1 racing where the times and other prevalent information was transmitted to my pits (laptop) - or god forbid, my smartphone - then I might be impressed. But, to be honest, I haven't really seen any vast improvement to justify the cost and changes involved, other than one that suggest a monopolistic intent........In My Humble Opinion. |
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handout transponders its the way forward!!. have to agree with jimmy, we need to be able to time the new guy without expecting him/her to lash out on a PT which they may or may not get any benifit from if they decide RC isnt for them, some clubs do carry PT's for this use, but get very nervous about them going missing, a simple battery operated version of the PT would fit the bill.
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I'm with Jimmy, In this economic environment do we think AMB are going to do anything but find as many ways as possible to extract more money from as many racers RC or other as possible?
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As an aside -how about a thread here on facebook to add your voice to the call for Mylaps to put out a new handout for clubs to use. Surely if they see people care it might help - maybe not, who knows.
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