trf 2wd rumor

[pete68]

i heard some rumors about a trf 2wd coming out end of may!!
can anyone confirm or denied plz
thanks
pete68

[B44&501xRacerEX]

I hope it's true. Gosh Id buy one in a heatbeat.:p
I'll wait and see if one shows up on thier website by then.
If not I'll have to get a B4 or something.

[94eg!]

Same rumor for over 5 years now. Highly doubtful...

[Power Surge]

Take the front diff out of a 501x and put some skinny tires on the front :)

[muratti]

I don´t know why they haven´t released a 2WD TRF yet. It seems many people ou there waited for it for years. It could be a good business for Tamiya and if they car wins a few races it would be a good advert fro them. I definitly would buy one...or two :D

[qatmix]

Ditto, I'd buy one. :thumbsup:

I think its inevitable at some point. It makes sense that when they got back into competition 4wd that they concentrated on 4wd first for a TRF buggy, as Tamiya have always favoured a slightly over engineered approach to their cars.

But back in the day remember there was always the TRF202x which basically became a Dynastorm :)

[T4miy4 Guy]

Take the front diff out of a 501x and put some skinny tires on the front :)

I like the sound of this :woot: lol

Seriously though i`d buy a 2WD dead right! :thumbsup:

Andy

[DCM]

I have seen this rumour every year for the past 5 years... I will believe it when I see it!!

[T4miy4 Guy]

I have seen this rumour every year for the past 5 years... I will believe it when I see it!!


Here`s hoping then, hey mate :thumbsup:

Andy

[Alex H]

Guess there will be many B4s in the sale section then. :D

[94eg!]

But back in the day remember there was always the TRF202x which basically became a Dynastorm :)

You mean TRF211X.... :D

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.rcfan.net/trf211x/index.html&ei=td2PS5PTKYnYtgO3pYjdCA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CA4Q7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtrf211x%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

http://www.rcfan.net/trf211x/trf211x17.jpg

[T4miy4 Guy]

Blimey how thins that front shock tower :o

Andy

[5POINTSTAR]

It seems every year this comes up on a message board (sorry Pete). Tamiya/TRF missed the boat when Kyosho came back with a 2WD contender (rb5). Seriously, how hard is it to make a efficient 2WD tranny :confused:??? Just copy the B4, would not be the first time Tamiya has copied another company..

Tamiya will stick to what they do best recently - keep releasing the re-res, sell TRF kits with minuscule changes and keep creating many variations of the TB03 and TA05 chassis' to pump out new kits :yawn:.. I will not hold my breath :(.....

[DaveG28]

It seems every year this comes up on a message board (sorry Pete). Tamiya/TRF missed the boat when Kyosho came back with a 2WD contender (rb5). Seriously, how hard is it to make a efficient 2WD tranny :confused:??? Just copy the B4, would not be the first time Tamiya has copied another company..

Tamiya will stick to what they do best recently - keep releasing the re-res, sell TRF kits with minuscule changes and keep creating many variations of the TB03 and TA05 chassis' to pump out new kits :yawn:.. I will not hold my breath :(.....

Think your being a bit harsh, they just go for evolution not revolution, which works fine with good kits!! In 2 revisions since the original 501 they've changed:

Chassis/weight dist., driveshafts, hub carriers, spindles, suspension mounts, diff and pulley sizes, belts, motor mount system, bulkheads, top decks, camber link mount system, suspension arms. That's really quite a lot!!

The TC's are the same, they actually tweak lots of little bits!

[Alex H]

Yes, the concept works and there is not much the companies can do to make just their car unique in design. The Rb5 and B4 are very similar but still different in characteristics on the track. Think another 2wd from any company will look like those available already unless the go for a mid motor kit which I hardly believe they will.
I don't care if it is a copy of another car. Or is it is really fare to call a rb5 for
a copy? I don't think so. A bike will always look like a bike have done for the past 50 years or so. If it is not broke...

Think the quality speak for it self. Would love some blue aluminium on there though:wub

[5POINTSTAR]

Think your being a bit harsh, they just go for evolution not revolution, which works fine with good kits!! In 2 revisions since the original 501 they've changed:

Chassis/weight dist., driveshafts, hub carriers, spindles, suspension mounts, diff and pulley sizes, belts, motor mount system, bulkheads, top decks, camber link mount system, suspension arms. That's really quite a lot!!

The TC's are the same, they actually tweak lots of little bits!
Tamiya is kind of like a child I love, I am going to be a little harsh sometimes ;)

My showroom below does not lie, Tamiya till I die...

[Lee Martin]

;)........

[DaveG28]

Oooh you tease!

[Lee Martin]

muhahahahaa

[Aran]

i know id probably buy one :D

[GRIFF55]

Trigger will have one!!:D

[simoncrabb]

Can I have one?

Heroes! :wub

[sebus]

we see on a pic the new trf 2wd at the race yatabe arena with satoshi maezumi.........................

[kustom chris]

where what pic where gimme gimmme

[sebus]

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/2979/2010032f072f632fe016666v.jpg

[sebus]

look the report of this race .
http://rc4ever.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=85&t=1985
in french of course , i am french.
by

[DCM]

there any decent pics?

[sebus]

only this pic with satoshi and one else ,we see the back of the car.
http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/201003/10/63/e0166663_16364712.jpg
it's the first car with yello weels.

[Lee Martin]

Anyone at PDA tonight might see one going round a track..................

[Twister]

:woot::thumbsup::wub If you guy´s are pulling my leg , i´m gonna cry... I really want a trf 2wd

[GRIFF55]

Look at that sexy blue motor plate!!!! Not a bad result for the first showing:thumbsup:

[budgio]

Anyone at PDA tonight might see one going round a track..................
I,m there, i,ll bring my camera :thumbsup:

[Kifogrande]

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp197/kifogrande/DSCN3247.jpg

[DCM]

don't want action shots, want stationary, up close shots!!

[jondell]

Ha, Keith, your pants have fallen over and messed up the shot!!!!!

[Kifogrande]

:thumbsup: I was too lazy to move them out the way!

[Lee Martin]

no photos....

[GRIFF55]

Those pants get everywhere!!! lol

[zaquiz]

http://www.junwatanabe.jp/wrd/b4/

Here are some pics.

[simoncrabb]

:wub

[Battle_axe]

ha i will be at the PDA sneeky look for carl :)

[footey]

hope there is 1 soon BUT first time ive seen that arena that is awsome we so need somthing like that in this country

[qatmix]

Oh well, looks like it will be my next car :thumbsup:

[fastinfastout]

it better be a real tamiya 2wd.

or that pic could have been a b4 with modded front shock tower and rear trf shocks.

[qatmix]

Its fully badged up as a Tamiya, I doubt Tamiya's no1 TRF guy would race a B4 and badge it as a tamiya. ALthough I would imagine there will be a fair amount of similarities.. Hopefully it will have some Tamiya OTT stuff going on though

[Alex H]

Think someone asked for action shots of the car. Is it not a Tamiya in the front taking the lead. Sure looks like it when comparing the previous pics with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tarYV8Srcbw&feature=related

[sebus]

yes it is the trf 2wd at the first place ,it is sure with the color of satoshi maezumi cars

[DaveG28]

Slightly closer up pic in action on rctech too!

[Battle_axe]

just seen lees today at the PDA its rear motored and the battery runs down the middle B4 style also a plasitc chasiss

[terry.sc]

Its fully badged up as a Tamiya, I doubt Tamiya's no1 TRF guy would race a B4 and badge it as a tamiya.

erm...from the 2007 worlds
http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/worldchampionships-2007/day3/OOP_7519.html
http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/worldchampionships-2007/day3/OOP_7468.html
:p:p:p

Although this one is finally genuine.:thumbsup:

[Lee Martin]

;)

Today was a good strength test! And car took it well and run good. Just needs track time now!

[B44&501xRacerEX]

Apparantly it's not a rumor anymore.
Looks like a TRF 2wd will finally hit the market.;)
The only problem is no release date.:yawn:

[PaulUpton]

The car looked very nice. Looked very well finished. And seemed to go well on the track.

Shell is very nice :thumbsup:

[Jamesk]

If this is true ill have to try one, its been a long time since i had a 2wd car. The last one was a Tamiya Astute !!!

[5POINTSTAR]

If this is true ill have to try one, its been a long time since i had a 2wd car. The last one was a Tamiya Astute !!!
LOL, me too...

[kustom chris]

tamiya if you read this hurry up we cant wait any longer we all want one lol

[muratti]

LOL, me too...

I still race my Astute :bored: although i could do with something new

[simoncrabb]

Blog That:

http://rclazy.com/2010/03/12/tamiya-trf-2wd-buggy/

[Alex H]

Please Mr Lee! Could you confirm this at least? Is the motor more centred? To the right I mean seen from behind. 50/50 weight left to right.

Looks like it from two of the pics:thumbsup:

[simoncrabb]

Looks like it to me, judging by the space between rear tyre and end of the motor I'd say it's designed around a brushless motor.

[GRIFF55]

loving that shell shape.:thumbsup:

[Twister]

Brilliant complement to oople mr: Simon crabb: Well done sir:thumbsup: great blog.

[pete68]

so its nice to see the rumour i have heard was not false at all lol!!!:p
and the release date i did heard was end of may !!!
very happy to see tamiya coming in the mix of 2wd

[budgio]

I managed to get a good look at it on Wednesday at the PDA (thanks Lee),deffo one for the wish list :D hope to see more of it soon.
Maybe see some pics of it at the Cactus classic?

[DaveG28]

I'm liking things like wishbones/hubs/steering being shared with the 511, makes life easier!!

Even May seems too far away tho, want one now :wub

[PaulUpton]

I did do a video of one of the qualifiers, but Lee will have to confirm if this is ok to upload or not ??

Paul

[sparrow.2]

I am Lee. It is fine.

Now upload the video quickly ;)

[PositivoNegativo]

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1433/trf1.jpghttp://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4592/trf2.jpghttp://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8584/trf3s.jpghttp://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9309/trf4.jpghttp://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4214/trf5.jpghttp://img709.imageshack.us/img709/2875/trf6.jpg

[Ross]

no photos....



:cry: Sorry.....too late.

[Smartalec]

I think you'll be ok mate, i'm sure Lee meant no photo's with the shell off ;)

[ralphee]

Eager to see more.....id love a 2wd Tamiya, and this is looking very swish!

lee

[Ross]

I think you'll be ok mate, i'm sure Lee meant no photo's with the shell off ;)

Oohh, i better not put those ones up then ;)

[Albertini]

I love Tamiyas but please, someone tell me its more than a B4 with a different shock tower and motor guard.
Dare I say it just looks a bit bland, perhaps because we've all been racing the B4 for too long.
I hope I'm prooved wrong:)

[markwilliamson2001]

Looks like a b4 to me. Maybe this has proved the b4 design wasn't too bad after all lol!

[Alex H]

My guess is that before Hupo left Tamiya he had something to do with the design of the car. He was really fast with the B4 every time so why change something that works so great. Looks like some things are different though like the centering of the motor and when you break the car down to blueprint there are changes here and there in geometry for sure.
And then materials. Probably more likely the quality is much improved from AE. I think Hupo gave his recommendations and input to the designer and made a fast car even faster.

And Japanese (RC)cars look goooood!!!

[chemax92]

But B4 design although excellent, is really old, before Lipo became popular so it still need ballast to balance weights. A new car would have this in mind. :(

[DaveG28]

But B4 design although excellent, is really old, before Lipo became popular so it still need ballast to balance weights. A new car would have this in mind. :(

Hmm, noone seems to have quite mastered taking advantage of minimum weights yet though in terms of how to make the suspension do it (I'm sorry, but all this "heavier cars work better" is just not right, not if you get the suspension/geometry etc correct), and any car that "designed in" the additional weight needed would probably not be as popular with the top guys, who I guess like being able to move ballast about. May be wrong but its the impression I get.

The car is pretty much what I'd have expected if I'd known they were doing a 2wd, they'd look at the market and see what's best (and before all the X6 guys cry, multi world champs, and also most recent Euro's champ in a Tamiya drivers hands on an Astro surface so works on various conditions), eg a B4, then say "right, lets start with that, what would we improve?".

Hence I imagine it will be very similar, probably with virtually identical geometry, but better TRF shocks, play around with weight distribuiton (assuming they have moved the motor, and also may well find battery position or wheelbase is tweaked etc), and there own steering/suspension mounting systems. Then over the next 12/18mths various update bits to take it more down their own direction. That's pretty much how the 4wd developed?? Remember the original 501 vs the 511, still look similar but masses of changes, plus now have built in flexibility over things like rear shock position.

TBH, if its a B4 with tamiya shocks and trf blue all over it, I'd buy one like a shot!!!:p

[Jamesk]

I think it will be intersting to see if the car will be made and then see how it gets developed, the more people using the car will help speed up the development. Lets hope tamiya take the challange. Ive used the products on and off since the Avante mk1 and there development does not always keep up with new tech.Time will tell.
jk

[Pablo668]

This car has me torn.

1) I want one.

2) But I'm gonna be kinda dissapointed if it really is just a B4 clone.

[B44&501xRacerEX]

A) I want one.
B) A price would be nice. Hopefully under $300 american dollars.
C) Still stomped on either running stock or mod with it.

[Migs]

either way bmag, you'll be dialled with it

[B44&501xRacerEX]

The box setup is pretty much dialed on a tamiya migs.:thumbsup:

[series_one]

First post on oOple! This news tempted me to finally join :woot:


Really looking forward to seeing more about this car. Hoping the gearbox is a quantum leap forward in 2wd boxes for Tamiya. Have to say tho I was hoping till now for something super funky like the new Schumacher 2wd, but if this performs better than :cool:

[B44&501xRacerEX]

So any factory tamiya drivers have a release date....
I want one so bad....:blush:

[TRF_AK]

Lee Martin and Kiyo Suzuki are at Cactus Classic with the buggy this week. I didn't know Lee would be traveling to the race, but it will be good to see what he can do.
http://rcevilempire.com/2010/03/2010-cactus-classic-day-1/

[Albertini]

Just read the first days report from that link, good luck Lee and good luck Tamiya.:)

Its good to see tamiya getting involved but it has to be said that its a bit pathetic not allowing any pictures. Lets face it, it dosen't look like a "ground-breaking" new design does it.:bored:

What is there really to hide???

[jondell]

No photos is Tamiya's instructions, not Lee's and he does have to respect their requests.

Good 2nd round for Lee yesterday. 4th in 4wd and 6th in 2wd for the round. 2 out of 4 to count, so he has a good chance to make the main show in both premier classes. Lee is also running in mod truck and short course, but with borrowed cars... track time helps.

Heats have been reseeded for today and Lee is in with the fast guys for round 3 and 4. That alone should help.

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Do you think it is less pathetic to release "spy-videos" of cars?;)

[Albertini]

Understand its tamiya's decision to not allow photos (not their drivers).
Its that decision I feel is pathetic.

Is it not similar to lets say Ford Motor Co. road testing a five year old Vauxhall as their new model though.

I would really love to race a 2WD tamiya as probably like everybody reading this, the name is special. This car (at the moment coz there's no photos) dosen't look that special.:)

[sebus]

lee martin 11 at the race cactus classic with trf 2wd in qualif.
his lap time are correct
the car look like very good.

[ralphee]

Sounds good.......pics pics pics pics lol........even though this may be a B4 alike.....im still pondering one, its Tamiya hehe.....has anything been mentioned on a release?....yeah i know....im too eager.

lee

[ApexSpeed]

Strange that no photos are allowed of the chassis. Must be a revolutionary design and not a copy of the plastic tub chassis cars of the last 20 years <sarcasm>.

Maybe after the Cactus race they won't be so secretive. Seems awfully silly to be protective of a design that seems by all accounts to be a B4 clone.




Still, I'm anxious to see it up close.

[Fredrik Emilsson]

What do you actually expect from it? Rear or midmotor? carbon chassi? How they place the turnbuckles and shocks? Shape of suspension arms?

Or is it just the plastic parts that disappoint you?

[ApexSpeed]

If you noticed, I even said SARCASM in my post. By all accounts, there isn't anything revolutionary in the car. Why be SO secretive in testing? Silly.

I'm only disappointed in the fact that they are being so "S-works" in keeping anyone from photographing the prototype without the body on. I don't have any expectations of it, I'm just happy to see a TRF 2wd buggy from Tamiya. It's about freakin' time.

[Fredrik Emilsson]

My question was not a reply to just your post, it was a question to all previous posts that think it is just a B4 clone.

[ApexSpeed]

Gotcha. That's what the QUOTE button is for. ;) :)

[Carno]

What i'd have expected in a 2wd TRF; mid-motored, belt driven, carbon chassis and offcourse blue alu bits. Basicly like all the other TRF cars.

It'd probably look great. But that wouldn't make it a good car to race.

[sebus]

one thing is sure is that the trf 2wd have not the mid motor.......lol

[Carno]

Obviously.

I'm saying I would have expected something else from TRF. Not a plastic B4-ish contraption.

[ralphee]

Well, im betting the bit T, wouldnt do so well with a re popped Dynastorm in this day and age...though id still welcome that as its my favorite all time 2WD.......nah, clone or not...im still eager for this!

lee

[Fredrik Emilsson]

I should have written "What did you expect"...

[DaveG28]

What i'd have expected in a 2wd TRF; mid-motored, belt driven, carbon chassis and offcourse blue alu bits. Basicly like all the other TRF cars.

It'd probably look great. But that wouldn't make it a good car to race.

Can I ask, why mid motored? I mean why assume it? The current world champ = rear motor. Current Euro's champ (driven by a trf guy at the time) = rear motor. Why the obsession with mid?? What's been winning in Japan, rear or mid?

Edit: Actually what did win in SA worlds?

[mof]

Can I ask, why mid motored? I mean why assume it? The current world champ = rear motor. Current Euro's champ (driven by a trf guy at the time) = rear motor. Why the obsession with mid?? What's been winning in Japan, rear or mid?

Edit: Actually what did win in SA worlds?


And judging from the pics I have seen of the new Durango 2wd, Hupo likes to keep it rear motored too, even though it has the option to go mid motor. Depends on the track I guess.

[Carno]

Can I ask, why mid motored? I mean why assume it? The current world champ = rear motor. Current Euro's champ (driven by a trf guy at the time) = rear motor. Why the obsession with mid?? What's been winning in Japan, rear or mid?

Edit: Actually what did win in SA worlds?

It's not an obsession for me. Personally i don't really see why the rear motor is such a bad thing but I don't have any experience with 2wd's myself.
But at my track almost every serious driver has an X6 and a few cougar SV's are underway.
Basicly with the current flow going for mid that's what i'd have expected.
Wasn't a judgement -on performance- from my side.

I heard one of the X6 drivers that saw lee's car without the body on. Saying it was basicly a B4 with some bits modified and that he wasn't very impressed.
But then again the X6 is based on the B4 aswell so... :woot:

My only worry is the cost. If it is a lot like the B4 can Tamiya match the cost of one.
Assuming it is more expensive will the changes they have made justify the difference in price.

[B44&501xRacerEX]

one thing is sure is that the trf 2wd have not the mid motor.......lol

You even type like Yoda...lol
Whatever this car's gonna be it will be pretty bad arsh!:p
Tamiya's plastic is it not like Ae plastic.......no
If it's gonna have carbon fiber bling bling....no

Classy tamiya plastic......yes
Jimmy and Vickie are on facebook!

[Fredrik Emilsson]

I heard one of the X6 drivers that saw lee's car without the body on. Saying it was basicly a B4 with some bits modified and that he wasn't very impressed.

I wonder if he could see any difference between B4 and RB5?;)

[5POINTSTAR]

I wonder if he could see any difference between B4 and RB5?;)
Thank you for that post:D. I remember on another website (RCt**h) B4 and XXX-CR drivers/owners were bashing the RB5 for looking similar. How many ways can you make a competition 2WD buggy? Rhetorical question..

[94eg!]

They ALL look like JRX-Pro SE's to me... :p

[Migs]

lol except these days we dont mount the servo sideways and we dont just use servo tape. but your point is i think where everyone is heading, its a 2wd buggy, there havnt been significant advances in a long time, a xxcr can still keep up with the current crop of cars, there just isnt a lot you can do unless you go mid motor like the x6, as soon as u choose to do rear motor, ur layout is basically decided for you by default, the only thing the designers can do is make the car easy to drive and tuneable enough for all conditions. I think tamiya have probably gone in a good direction, lets say the car ends up being as good as, or slightly better than the B4 because its a bit more refined and desinged with lipo and brushless in mind, all the tamiya fans will buy one, because they wont lose out switching to it, then others who are looking for the next car will put it on the potential list along with the rb5

[ralphee]

Think logical for a minute, why reinvent the wheel with it.....sound fair?
Its using a tried and trusted layout, with possibly tweaked geometry.....if they were to go for anything too radical, we'd all be thumbing our noses at it and its possible complete failure at any form of comp level.....i say fair play to Tamiya.

lee

[Migs]

Think logical for a minute, why reinvent the wheel with it.....sound fair?
Its using a tried and trusted layout, with possibly tweaked geometry.....if they were to go for anything too radical, we'd all be thumbing our noses at it and its possible complete failure at any form of comp level.....i say fair play to Tamiya.

lee
Exactly

[Pablo668]

Think logical for a minute, why reinvent the wheel with it.....sound fair?
Its using a tried and trusted layout, with possibly tweaked geometry.....if they were to go for anything too radical, we'd all be thumbing our noses at it and its possible complete failure at any form of comp level.....i say fair play to Tamiya.

lee

Yeah,
I agree with this, the B4 (and whatever else) layout and geometry is pretty well sorted and a good way to go.
I would just like the chassis to be a Carbon fibre affair rather that the standard plastic tub.
Whether it would make any difference or not......?

[DCM]

although the initial cost is more, the overall cost and speed of manufacture is far better with a plastic mould. It don't bother me, the material in which it is made, as long as it is stiff enough to handle and not to stiff to make the car twitchy......

[B44&501xRacerEX]

Twichy this, Twichy that, who afraid of Tamiya with a purty buggy that...
LOL

I cant wait for this car. I will be saving my pennies for it.:D

[B44&501xRacerEX]

Yeah,
I agree with this, the B4 (and whatever else) layout and geometry is pretty well sorted and a good way to go.
I would just like the chassis to be a Carbon fibre affair rather that the standard plastic tub.
Whether it would make any difference or not......?

Well yeah the B4 has been winning for years since it came out in 2003.
So I suggest tamiya to copy some parts of the B4 and do it in thier
style of plastic. Not only will it be competitve, but plenty durable as well.
The Rb5 did in fact copy aspects of the same layout design.
People often classify the rb5 as a B4 knockoff. I dont but some do.

[B44&501xRacerEX]

Think logical for a minute, why reinvent the wheel with it.....sound fair?
Its using a tried and trusted layout, with possibly tweaked geometry.....if they were to go for anything too radical, we'd all be thumbing our noses at it and its possible complete failure at any form of comp level.....i say fair play to Tamiya.

lee

I agree but, I heard the dyna storm was a B2 with carbon fiber parts.
I admit the dyna storm looks like a sweet car to have. People still race 'em
too. But parts are pretty scarce if you break something.
I wonder why the DT-02 MS got discontinued. I was planning on getting
one but after people were breaking things on it tamiya discontinued it.
After all it was in fact just a dressed up desert gator. You could run one in stock buggy, just not modified.

I'm praying they get it right with this car.

[ApexSpeed]

Who cares if it copies a well-proven design if it works? Why do something different just for the sake of being different (cough, X-factory)?

[94eg!]

I agree but, I heard the dyna storm was a B2 with carbon fiber parts.
I admit the dyna storm looks like a sweet car to have. People still race 'em
too. But parts are pretty scarce if you break something.
I wonder why the DT-02 MS got discontinued. I was planning on getting
one but after people were breaking things on it tamiya discontinued it.
After all it was in fact just a dressed up desert gator. You could run one in stock buggy, just not modified.

I'm praying they get it right with this car.

Dyna Storm is a lovely car to own and drive, but racing one would be torture. Mine has the hardest time keeping the wheels pointed down at the local track. Of course I really need to loose the CPR unit (no it's not for sale)...

If the new buggy is anything like the B4, it will be a great buggy to race and bash (unlike the 501/511). Should be very popular like the DB01...

[B44&501xRacerEX]

I wonder if he could see any difference between B4 and RB5?;)

If your a tamiya factory driver, which I think you are,
maybe you can give us some insight on the upcoming trf 2wd buggy.

[AaronR]

I'm sure if Tamiya wanted detailed information or pictures leaked out, they would be out already. Patience, kids, patience.

I'll just say the car looks impressive on and off the track and I look forward to getting one when it is released. :wub Lastly, NO, I did not get any photos of it.

[Fredrik Emilsson]

If your a tamiya factory driver, which I think you are,
maybe you can give us some insight on the upcoming trf 2wd buggy.

No, I´m not a Tamiya factory driver, only Tamiya driver.;)

[Pablo668]

Well, if it is a warmed over B4/RB5 type buggy then it would be a very Japanese bit of thinking.
Conservative. Take something that works, refine/improve it.

[B44&501xRacerEX]

No, I´m not a Tamiya factory driver, only Tamiya driver.;)

I see...you make those covers for the 501x and 511, I figured
you was a factory driver....but your just like me and just a tamiya driver.;)
I only pull out my Tamiya on big races like trophy and plaque races.
I tried to be a factory driver, but everytime I check the roster it's full.
Tamiya has Ryan Lutz and Marc Rhienard so they are plenty fast.
Those 2 would probably drive circles around me.....lol

[Mouton]

...Take something that works, refine/improve it.What is wrong with that? Why the need to always reinvent the wheel? ApexSpeed hits the nail right on! As long as there are not any patent issues, why care?

The 2WD buggies have been around long enough for the recipe to have set. Look at 1:8 nitro buggies, they _all_ look the same. But there is not as much fuzz about that one looking like this one as when it comes to 2WD 1:10 buggies. I really do not see the reason for this even being a problem (that a new design is new revolutionary new, but rather evolution).

[sparrow.2]

....but your just like me and just a tamiya driver.;)

Nobody is quite like you dude :thumbsup:

[Pablo668]

What is wrong with that? Why the need to always reinvent the wheel? ApexSpeed hits the nail right on! As long as there are not any patent issues, why care?

The 2WD buggies have been around long enough for the recipe to have set. Look at 1:8 nitro buggies, they _all_ look the same. But there is not as much fuzz about that one looking like this one as when it comes to 2WD 1:10 buggies. I really do not see the reason for this even being a problem (that a new design is new revolutionary new, but rather evolution).

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it per se. It just 'is' a very Japanese way of doing things.

I also stated before that my preference would have been for a CF chassis like the 501x or even something along the lines of the DEX210.

Plastic tubs are fine as a design solution, they're just not my preference, even though I own several buggies that have them.

Like I said before, I'm just a bit dissapointed with Tamiya for making a modified B4/RB5. I still want one though.
Think of it less as a problem and more of an opinion that I happen to have expressed.

[Mr. Red]

Think a lot of people agree with you that it would of been nice to see something else than a plastic chassis. Perhaps Tamiya dont want to let us see the car just yet. If I was the one about to release a new model into the market I would not let everybody see it until it is all done and ready.
The new 2wd are still a prototype I guess. The final product may have a lot of different parts in other materials when its finally available to the public.
In Asia the Tamiya cars are huge and options parts are everywhere. Anyone fancy a Trf 2wd will be able to trick out theirs beyond recognition:thumbsup:

[mof]

Being CF would not automatically make it better. It could even be that they tried CF but it ended up being worse than composite.

[Pablo668]

Absolutely. I just like CF chassis is all.

[fastinfastout]

well who makes a production carbon fibre 2wd? No one I guess, and for a reason.

In offroad, you need flex!

have a look at B4 team drivers, using the plastic chassis rather than the carbon composite chassis. Too stiff chassis can create handling problems on rough tracks.

[B44&501xRacerEX]

A plastic chassis might be good to keep costs down.
I'm not going for bling bling this time, just something
that drives good and doesnt handle like poo.
A little bit of aluminum doesnt hurt, but too much and
the car is too heavy to be a good track tamer.
Weight will be slowing you down.

Aluminum bulkheads(Front and Rear) would be the only aluminum part(s)
the car may need. Minus a milled motor plate.
Plastic Bulkheads are weak in a 2wd car, and you have to
have re-inforcing brackets to prevent breaking bulkheads.
Carbon fiber shock towers would be another nice option.
Although not required.

[Pablo668]

Hmmmm,

The latest Schumacher appears to be a CF chassis. I'm sure it works ok.

I can't see how a bit of flex can't be designed into that kind of chassis at any rate.

But what do I know.

[qatmix]

well who makes a production carbon fibre 2wd? No one I guess, and for a reason.

In offroad, you need flex!

have a look at B4 team drivers, using the plastic chassis rather than the carbon composite chassis. Too stiff chassis can create handling problems on rough tracks.

Flex just makes a car a little more passive and forgiving. Its much better to have a stiff chassis and the suspension set up properly as you then have a more precise handling car. Although obviously it will take a lot more minor tweaks to set-up.

[DaveG28]

Flex just makes a car a little more passive and forgiving. Its much better to have a stiff chassis and the suspension set up properly as you then have a more precise handling car. Although obviously it will take a lot more minor tweaks to set-up.

At last, someone who agrees that if done right, you want stiff with good suspension, not flex!!!

Now just waiting for someone to agree the same is true for weight, that lighter is better :D

[DCM]

Carbon doesn't mean it has to be stiff, just a different way to the same end result, it all depends on the thickness of carbon, the layup of the sheets, how it is braced etc...

[5POINTSTAR]

Now just waiting for someone to agree the same is true for weight, that lighter is better :D
Lighter is better :woot:!!

[mof]

At last, someone who agrees that if done right, you want stiff with good suspension, not flex!!!

Now just waiting for someone to agree the same is true for weight, that lighter is better :D

Theory is always nice, but can it ever be done "right enough" to not want flex? For example, Hupo used flex upper decks on his TRF511 at the euros 2009.

[flipside]

At last, someone who agrees that if done right, you want stiff with good suspension, not flex!!!

Now just waiting for someone to agree the same is true for weight, that lighter is better :D

I agree on both statements :-)

But I also agree that setup needs to be good, and you don't always have the time to accomplish that. For example at your national series with 2x3mins of practise, you really want a stable car, even if it's a few 10ths of a second slower...

There's another CF car, Atomic Carbon CR2! It's stiff, and it rules!

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Flex in obviously important. Fullscale cars/bikes also need a bit of flex to work.
I remember when Honda replaced the single sided swing arm with a conventional swing arm to get more flex. The single sided arm was too stiff...

[Twister]

Think a lot of people agree with you that it would of been nice to see something else than a plastic chassis. Perhaps Tamiya dont want to let us see the car just yet. If I was the one about to release a new model into the market I would not let everybody see it until it is all done and ready.
The new 2wd are still a prototype I guess. The final product may have a lot of different parts in other materials when its finally available to the public.
In Asia the Tamiya cars are huge and options parts are everywhere. Anyone fancy a Trf 2wd will be able to trick out theirs beyond recognition:thumbsup:
i´d like that:lol:

[fastinfastout]

Flex in obviously important. Fullscale cars/bikes also need a bit of flex to work.
I remember when Honda replaced the single sided swing arm with a conventional swing arm to get more flex. The single sided arm was too stiff...
yes flex is very important. Cagiva had a carbon fibre frame at one stage but binned that idea as it was too stiff.

Now going back to RC, does anyone remember back in the rc10 graphite days?

Well master masami preferred the black aluminum chassis, cos it had a bit of 'give' in it, compared to the graphite chassis.

Carbon fibre is overated in offroad in my opinion. Give me a plastic, aluminum or composite chassis anyday!:thumbsup:

[Supervlieg]

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/TamiyaTRF2wd-1.jpg

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/TamiyaTRF2wd-2.jpg

[pete68]

nice
i really like the body

[ApexSpeed]

Really good looking car so far. Can't wait to see under the skin. :thumbsup:

[F-1]

When Tamiya 2wd will be available?

[chemax92]

Those are torx screws?

[Battle_axe]

At last, someone who agrees that if done right, you want stiff with good suspension, not flex!!!

Now just waiting for someone to agree the same is true for weight, that lighter is better :D
lighter is better my 2wd is right on the limit weight wise and to be honest i dont see why the brca keep it so high its unessasary and lowering it wouldnt make the sport any less competertive for new comers it would just make the designers have to think again insted of bringing out the same old thing time and time again

back on topic the TRF car will be plastic can you see tamyia investing into the molds if this is not what it will be like as a final product?

[pete68]

When Tamiya 2wd will be available?

from what i have heard its end of may

[qatmix]

looking at the shots, I dont know if this will be a TRF. Tamiya would normally slap the Logo on the car if it was a TRF, so maybe this will be the std spec and maybe a MS or TRF spec one will come later?

[Mr. Red]

Interesting view but there is no other name either. Only Tamiya logo.

I agree in that sense that this is the first time in recent year they have been so secretive about the car witch I find a bit odd. The 501 just appered from nowhere and the 511 was show with its new name and all. So was the 1:8 offroad cars they produce.

Lets see what happens. No other choice. If I was up for one I would like them to set a date soon because the summer season is approaching fast and I would like to get my rides ready. If a date is not produced before the end of April, I would go for something else. Need time to get familiar with the car and build up both experience and spare stock.

That is why I hope my Schumacher arrives very soon. Terrified. Never raced a midmotor car before and dont know shi* how it handles on dirt.

[Danosborne6661]

Shell looks a lot like our Phat Bodies X6 Zen Shell! Picture of Tamiya vs Zen

http://rclazy.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Tamiya-TRF-2WD-Prototype-Lee-Martin-1.jpg

http://cache1.bigcartel.com/product_images/3474131/Zen_050.jpg

[fastinfastout]

and the both look like rb5

[knighthawk]

Why are people so worried about what it looks like or who Tamiya have taken their inspiration from!

At the end of the day, it's how it preforms !

If you want a RB5, X6 or a B4 then buy one.

I like Tamiya and will buy one.

End of story!

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Good question...

And people see what they want to see...

[fastinfastout]

im not worried what it looks like.

my response was to phat bodies. Phat bodies copied kyosho's rb5, and now saying tamiya's 2wd looks like one of their bodies!

I personally cannot wait to buy one. I dropped 2wd a few months ago, but this car will get me back in it again.

I just love tamiya cars.

[Carno]

looking at the shots, I dont know if this will be a TRF. Tamiya would normally slap the Logo on the car if it was a TRF, so maybe this will be the std spec and maybe a MS or TRF spec one will come later?

There is a TRF sticker on the spoiler.

[Danosborne6661]

Yea wasn't complaining, just said they look similar, looks ace :thumbsup:

[Ross]

That is why I hope my Schumacher arrives very soon.

I was told the 2nd week in April.

[5POINTSTAR]

Why are people so worried about what it looks like or who Tamiya have taken their inspiration from!

At the end of the day, it's how it preforms !

If you want a RB5, X6 or a B4 then buy one.

I like Tamiya and will buy one.

End of story!
I agree, some enthusiast like to complain about designs and stuff, copycat this blah blah blah:thumbdown:.. I will buy this for the same reason I purchased the 501X when it was released, it is a Tamiya competition buggy. I have had Tamiyas (and other brands) for over twenty years. Nothing wrong with brand loyalty..

[TRF_AK]

It will be good. Price it competitive, kit is well thought out, people will like it. It is not revolutionary, but it doesn't need to be. When you are first getting into a category, learn from the people at the front, and go from there.

Can't wait until images can be released!:thumbsup:

[simoncrabb]

I too don't care it's a non-revolutionary rear-drive 2wd buggy. It'll work just fine.

I'll buy one cos it's Tamiya, and they make me feel warm and loved inside. :wub

And it's metric - I can't bear imperial fixings on AE etc products!

And it'll share some parts with the 511 etc.

[B44&501xRacerEX]

I agree, some enthusiast like to complain about designs and stuff, copycat this blah blah blah:thumbdown:.. I will buy this for the same reason I purchased the 501X when it was released, it is a Tamiya competition buggy. I have had Tamiyas (and other brands) for over twenty years. Nothing wrong with brand loyalty..

Amen Brother! I'm sick and tired of the blah, blah, blah.:mad:
They know it's gonna be a great car, or they wouldnt be
talking bad about it. And I love my 501x, I'll never sell it, it
just means alot to me because it drives better on clay than my B44 does.
Yeah I've been in some hectic race battles with my 501x, a sponsored
driver comes and kills me on the track. But I keep getting better
on the track with it. Takes years and practice to get good with something.

I'm hoping it comes out before the new SC10 does. I want BOTH!:thumbsup:

[Lee]

I hear wes will be running the new tamiya 2wd prototype soon :)

[B44&501xRacerEX]

I hear wes will be running the new tamiya 2wd prototype soon :)
THE wes IN MY AREA quit and is going to Rochester Dam, and Radcliff
Kentucky for Rock Crawling competitions. He'll be back though I hope.
Rock Crawling is a hard sport to be in. He spent $2,000 on rock crawling
stuff recently. I like going fast not slow....I have no interest in crawling.:yawn:

[sparrow.2]

Lee actually meant Xgod...

I can't hold it anymore.... AAAARRRGGGHHHHH....


Baconatorz


Sorry, I'm having a tough time quitting smoking...

[B44&501xRacerEX]

Sparrow do we really need spam on this website.
Not meaning to be rude, but pal that's just against the rulz man.:lol:

XGod races in Missuri, if you wanna talk to him yourself get on rctech and find him!
He's not that hard to find trust me....

Now can we please continue to talk about this TRF 2wd buggy coming out soon. :)

[5POINTSTAR]

It will be good. Price it competitive, kit is well thought out, people will like it. It is not revolutionary, but it doesn't need to be. When you are first getting into a category, learn from the people at the front, and go from there.

Can't wait until images can be released!:thumbsup:
Great to hear this from you brother :)..

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Shizuoka Hobby Show may 13th...

[kustom chris]

where did you hear that frederik

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Tamiya

[Fredrik Emilsson]

http://www.tamiya.com/trf

[AmiSMB]

It is great to see a proper metric based 2wd from Tamiya but I do not get the feel that it is from the TRF camp with the current design. It is fantastic to see so much happening in the 2wd market and may the best car win :)

[Albertini]

http://www.tamiya.com/trf/images/trf2010/42167_a.gif

[ralphee]

I dont like it.....all the blue has gone :lol:...great pic, and a great move by Tamiya.....cant wait to see the show pics in May.
Why do i also feel there will be two variants on this buggy....a coolly Tamiya "named" hobbyist version and a TRF spec.....dont know, just get that feeling?

lee

[Albertini]

I wonder if anybody who knows how to work a computer better than me could possibly translate and paste the text from the TRF site in here????:eh?::) .Thanks:)

[hashiriya]

I’ve decided to actually do something useful for the site and put my linguistic skills to full use here. I wonder how many places my translation will get used...

Anyways here is the info on the site

New 2WD Off Road Buggy (prototype name)
Due in June, Planned Retail price 34,800
Production of the 2WD prototype buggy confirmed!

Despite using a conservative rear end motor layout, the transmission case and chassis design has been designed using TRF know-how to create a high end 2WD buggy

The transmission case (gearbox), which is key to a 2WD buggy has 3/32” inch ball x 12 diff, 2.6mm diff screw and new design thrust bearing. Diff carrier, gear teeth and ball hole design have were particular areas of attention, giving long term performance.

Main chassis has vertical battery layout, with glass reinforced nylon for high strength and light weight. Chassis roll has been optimised using reaction and split line as well as material factors. Side skids have been designed to prevent raising centre of gravity whilst delivering optimum performance.

Other features include aeration damper with HL coated cylinders, titanium coated piston rods, Teflon guides, Teflon seal ball bearing, turnbuckles are blue titanium, WO type Universal shafts.

Well thats about all I could make of it. I do like th eprice. If it does retail for 35000 yen, that means the actual shop price could be something like 25000-30000 making the car about £175-£220 even with the current crappy exchange rate.

I certainly want one but wish they would find a way to put the 3mm balls in the diff like all the other TRF cars. I guess the diff is too small for that?

[nismo]

Basically is this

[Tentative] New Ofurodobagi 2WD (tickets for your approval.)
Mon tentative price will usually 6 ¥ 34,800
Recently we reported the first report, "2WD Purototaipubagi" commercial decision is finally out!

While placing the motor shape Riyaendo conservative, and a transmission case and Shashidezain, which accumulated Haiendoreshingu TRF, bringing together a variety of expertise is the 2WD buggy.

2WD transmission case needed to be buggy (gearbox), the ball differential 3 / 32 × 12,2.6 Defusukuryu inch ball Ф, adopting a new design thrust.
Gear teeth and ball shape is also attention Defukyaria Hall, delivers the best performance from a long shakedown.

The Main Chassis batteries upright, has reduced weight and high strength glass filled nylon.
Riyakushon combine with split lines, such as optimizing Shashirorubaransu material.
The off-road skid side of the key gaps, we seek the best shape while reducing center of gravity.

As other equipment, the HL Eareshondanpa Court cylinder, Chitankotopisutonroddo, Teflon guide, Tefuronshiruborubearingu (1510,1050,850,840), blue titanium turnbuckles specifications, kit contents and full universal type WO It is.

[jhammond]

Well, I know which translation I'm reading.

Still, thanks to both of you.
:thumbsup:


Julius.

[Fredrik Emilsson]

Remember that actual price and msrp not is the same...
The TRF511 has a msrp of $867. Anyone that actually paid that much?:lol:

[simoncrabb]

I certainly want one but wish they would find a way to put the 3mm balls in the diff like all the other TRF cars. I guess the diff is too small for that?

Great translation! :thumbsup:

I too wish the diff shared parts with the other TRF cars...

But yes, the geared diff will be smaller - I'm guessing similar size to the RB5 diff. Fingers crossed at least the screw and diff rings will be the same!

At least 3/32 ceramic balls are easy to find!

[Albertini]

:)Thanks for the translations guys:)

I've just sold my B4 to get something a bit different (won't mention what), but I can't help but get excited by this.:blush:

[B44&501xRacerEX]

http://www.tamiya.com/trf/images/trf2010/42167_a.gif


:thumbsup: What I really like about the car is it uses the same parts most of us Durga/501x/511 drivers have already.
That's probably the best feature, second is the side guards, they really give the car extra protection from impacts.
(I might have miscalculated the guards as that looks like velcro used to help keep the body secure.) :(
Third best feature, is the quick release battery tray. now can the tranny hold up to todays powerful brushless motors..
Only one thing is a track test video and I'm sold!!

[ralphee]

Id say the tranny has been designed with brushless in mind, therefore pretty bulletproof IMO.

lee

[Carno]

Ofurodobagi


:thumbsup:TRF touwildrivu ofurodobagi, itadakimasu!

Curious if the production version will have the blue titanium turnbuckles as stated.
But i guess they'll have to bring out the TRF colors somewhere.

[B44&501xRacerEX]

I run dean connectors on all my cars, even my bashers have deans on them. I really hate tamiya connectors, they get hot very fast and melt
together....I really doubt pro drivers run tamiya connectors...:bored:

[ApexSpeed]

I know there are a lot of people screaming that it "steals" from the B4, but looking at the chassis enlarged in Photoshop, there is a LOT of Losi XXX and Kyosho RB5 in this car.


Seems to be that they took the neatest features from all of the 2wd cars out there and put them all together.



Looks good to me. Just leave it on the market for more than 6 months, and I'll buy one.

[Northy]

:thumbsup: What I really like about the car is it uses the same parts most of us Durga/501x/511 drivers have already.
That's probably the best feature, second is the side guards, they really give the car extra protection from impacts.
(I might have miscalculated the guards as that looks like velcro used to help keep the body secure.) :(
Third best feature, is the quick release battery tray. now can the tranny hold up to todays powerful brushless motors..
Only one thing is a track test video and I'm sold!!

B-Mag at his best - legend :thumbsup:

[DaveG28]

I’ve decided to actually do something useful for the site and put my linguistic skills to full use here. I wonder how many places my translation will get used...

Anyways here is the info on the site

New 2WD Off Road Buggy (prototype name)
Due in June, Planned Retail price 34,800
Production of the 2WD prototype buggy confirmed!

Despite using a conservative rear end motor layout, the transmission case and chassis design has been designed using TRF know-how to create a high end 2WD buggy

The transmission case (gearbox), which is key to a 2WD buggy has 3/32” inch ball x 12 diff, 2.6mm diff screw and new design thrust bearing. Diff carrier, gear teeth and ball hole design have were particular areas of attention, giving long term performance.

Main chassis has vertical battery layout, with glass reinforced nylon for high strength and light weight. Chassis roll has been optimised using reaction and split line as well as material factors. Side skids have been designed to prevent raising centre of gravity whilst delivering optimum performance.

Other features include aeration damper with HL coated cylinders, titanium coated piston rods, Teflon guides, Teflon seal ball bearing, turnbuckles are blue titanium, WO type Universal shafts.

Well thats about all I could make of it. I do like th eprice. If it does retail for 35000 yen, that means the actual shop price could be something like 25000-30000 making the car about £175-£220 even with the current crappy exchange rate.

I certainly want one but wish they would find a way to put the 3mm balls in the diff like all the other TRF cars. I guess the diff is too small for that?

Hmm, I'll be very surprised if the turnbuckles, cylinders and bearings make it into the standard production car, have you seen how much it costs to upgrade a 511 to that spec? Sounds like a lot of wasted revenue!?

[ScottyP]

When are the Japanese going to cotton to the fact that the rest of the world has moved on from torch batteries? Surely the promo shots should have lipo in them!

[94eg!]

When are the Japanese going to cotton to the fact that the rest of the world has moved on from torch batteries? Surely the promo shots should have lipo in them!

Tamiya doesn't do lipo and they only use their products in production photos. Best they've got is 6.6v LiFe...

[B44&501xRacerEX]

When are the Japanese going to cotton to the fact that the rest of the world has moved on from torch batteries? Surely the promo shots should have lipo in them!

The connectors were my main concern, not the shotgun style packs.

[B44&501xRacerEX]

I know there are a lot of people screaming that it "steals" from the B4, but looking at the chassis enlarged in Photoshop, there is a LOT of Losi XXX and Kyosho RB5 in this car.

Seems to be that they took the neatest features from all of the 2wd cars out there and put them all together.



It looks nothing like a B4. It looks like a car that has molded parts
in classy tamiya plastic. The prototype probably had AE shock towers
with losi bulkheads and RB5 A-arms. The production car wont be
anything like the prototype. GLASS re-inforced nylon....hum..

[AaronR]

The prototype DOES NOT have RB5 arms, AE towers and Losi muffler bearings. STOP posting your BS and wait for the car to come out.

[Fredrik Emilsson]

#54210 TRF201 Body Version 1...

Think the kit comes without body and wing?

#54211 TRF201 Rear Wing Set - Rounded/Wide & Straight/Narrow (2 types alá azarashi?)

[mes]

Possibly, just like the 511X...I don't like this approach for buggys, for TC it's a different issue.

Even if it was a perfect copy of the B4 + nice shocks, it would have been an option for me if it wasn't for the Cougar SV. I loved my Astute almost as much as my Cougar 2... :D
The B4, however, will probably be redone as well; the Factory Team SC10 will have proper shocks, so I assume that the traditional FT kits will be improved, too.

[TRF_AK]

The kit does come without the body and wing. Here in the U.S. we are taking it upon ourselves to bundle the body and wing with the kits. This way, we do not have to rely on a distributor knowing that he needs to order a body and wing to go along with each kit they ordered.

[ApexSpeed]

The kit does come without the body and wing. Here in the U.S. we are taking it upon ourselves to bundle the body and wing with the kits. This way, we do not have to rely on a distributor knowing that he needs to order a body and wing to go along with each kit they ordered.


That's a really bizarre way to sell a buggy (re: Tamiya). I don't understand why they would do that. It can't possibly add that much cost to the kit or the packaging. I want the car complete, and not have to chase down wings and bodies and wheels and everything else.

The Cougar is looking better...




Glad you guys are taking a different approach in the US.

[B44&501xRacerEX]

The kit does come without the body and wing. Here in the U.S. we are taking it upon ourselves to bundle the body and wing with the kits. This way, we do not have to rely on a distributor knowing that he needs to order a body and wing to go along with each kit they ordered.

As what you did with the 511, no body or wing.
As I'm thinking a Jconcepts body anyhow...I really wish
Jconcepts would make bodies for tamiya trf kits...
They make bodies for every other company but tamiya...
Maybe Jason and Brad will see this post...

[94eg!]

The kit does come without the body and wing. Here in the U.S. we are taking it upon ourselves to bundle the body and wing with the kits. This way, we do not have to rely on a distributor knowing that he needs to order a body and wing to go along with each kit they ordered.

I'm guessing it doesn't include wheels and tires either?!?!

Either way it's pretty really silly. I can understand not including tires (like Kyosho), but wheels, body and wing is just too much.

[B44&501xRacerEX]

As they said they are trying to get wheels and body and wing included
with the kits. I misread it the first time myself...:yawn:
Im suspecting wheels will defninlty be included, just not tires.

[nismo]

latest new on e TRF201

http://www.rcracer.com/off-road-electric-articles-112/1335-tamiya-shizuoka-news-trf201-chassis-kit

[muratti]

Just a short questions off topic: as this will be my first brushless 2WD buggy i was wondering what turn it should be? I currently run a LRP Vector X12 7.5 turn motor in my DB01R and it feels pretty good on my hometrack. Should i go for the same on 2WD or do you normally go a little up or down in turn numbers? Sorry for being o.t. :)

[Fredrik Emilsson]

In that case, go for a 8.5 in your TRF201.:)

[muratti]

Thanks for your advice, Fredrik. Is there a special reason for going up in turns? The gearing of the 2WD in general?

[MRD]

I generally go 6.5t in 4wd and 8.5t in 2wd. The 8.5 can still be a beast tho, even with an old Vector x11 the car will wheely off the line if the slipper's too tight

By the looks of the Hopup list I'll be getting the imperial bearing axles and the motor plate straight away, and probably all the DB01/501 parts that will fit, like shock bushings and Ti Shock shafts. Not sure about the black shocks either, I think I'll get some HL ones :)

[muratti]

Thanks MRD, will surely buy the motor plate and imperial bearing axles straight away too.

[DaveG28]

Looks like front shock shafts may be different lengths by the new springs, unless they are just different rate to the 4wd!?

Putting together my order at the moment!!:thumbsup:

[94eg!]

Looks like front shock shafts may be different lengths by the new springs, unless they are just different rate to the 4wd!?

Putting together my order at the moment!!:thumbsup:

Most likely different rates due to the very different weight distribution of 2WD...

[fastinfastout]

I generally go 6.5t in 4wd and 8.5t in 2wd. The 8.5 can still be a beast tho, even with an old Vector x11 the car will wheely off the line if the slipper's too tight

By the looks of the Hopup list I'll be getting the imperial bearing axles and the motor plate straight away, and probably all the DB01/501 parts that will fit, like shock bushings and Ti Shock shafts. Not sure about the black shocks either, I think I'll get some HL ones :)
its a metric car, keep it all metric:)

I wouldnt get imperial bearing axles unless b4 front rims would fit, which I doubt.

[MRD]

its a metric car, keep it all metric:)

I wouldnt get imperial bearing axles unless b4 front rims would fit, which I doubt.

Thats kind of the point of releasing an imperial axel set, so b4 and Jconcepts wheels will fit. What did you think it would be for :lol:.

[B44&501xRacerEX]

I generally go 6.5t in 4wd and 8.5t in 2wd. The 8.5 can still be a beast tho, even with an old Vector x11 the car will wheely off the line if the slipper's too tight

By the looks of the Hopup list I'll be getting the imperial bearing axles and the motor plate straight away, and probably all the DB01/501 parts that will fit, like shock bushings and Ti Shock shafts. Not sure about the black shocks either, I think I'll get some HL ones :)

Same thing I was thinking a 8.5 in this car should be about right.
7.5 is still a tad too much motor in a 2wd.
I know people who run a 5.5 in a 2wd and it's overkill.

[sparrow.2]

Same thing I was thinking a 8.5 in this car should be about right.
7.5 is still a tad too much motor in a 2wd.
I know people who run a 5.5 in a 2wd and it's overkill.

That is soooo up to the track you race at! On our outdoor track an 8.5 is a tad on the slow side...

[fastinfastout]

Thats kind of the point of releasing an imperial axel set, so b4 and Jconcepts wheels will fit. What did you think it would be for :lol:.

heard nothing about b4 front rims fitting. The axles need to be the same width too for them to fit.

the axle set could be possibly cos imperial bearings are easier to purchase in the US for replacement.


personally, tamiya should have went hex's on the fronts, like the rb5's and CR's, heaps better in my opinion.

[MRD]

heard nothing about b4 front rims fitting. The axles need to be the same width too for them to fit.

the axle set could be possibly cos imperial bearings are easier to purchase in the US for replacement.


personally, tamiya should have went hex's on the fronts, like the rb5's and CR's, heaps better in my opinion.

It says here: 54220 TRF201 Front Axle (For 3/16” x 3/8” Bearings)

And B4 Front wheel bearings are......... yep 3/16” x 3/8” :)

And as these axles are made to take B4 front wheel bearings Im pretty sure theyre gonna be the right width to take B4 front wheels.

The reason they picked that method is probably because there are less parts involved and the hub can be alot smaller as it doesn't have to accomodate the bearings, and with the option axles all the people that are swapping from a B4 can use all their wheels and tyres without having to buy all new fronts.

Its a very clever move by Tamiya :thumbsup:.

[Migs]

It says here: 54220 TRF201 Front Axle (For 3/16” x 3/8” Bearings)

And B4 Front wheel bearings are......... yep 3/16” x 3/8” :)

And as these axles are made to take B4 front wheel bearings Im pretty sure theyre gonna be the right width to take B4 front wheels.
Its a very clever move by Tamiya :thumbsup:.
Sure its a smart move if thats the way it works out, but it doesnt say it in the part description, which is all people are saying, this is a problem tamiya have, their parts descriptions are often very poor, at least on the kyosho, they have a proline axel conversion, which means theres no ambiguity, you are probably correct, but its an assumption you have made, theres nothing for sure that the axels are set up to make the front end width correct with b4 rims

[ApexSpeed]

Sure its a smart move if thats the way it works out, but it doesnt say it in the part description, which is all people are saying, this is a problem tamiya have, their parts descriptions are often very poor, at least on the kyosho, they have a proline axel conversion, which means theres no ambiguity, you are probably correct, but its an assumption you have made, theres nothing for sure that the axels are set up to make the front end width correct with b4 rims

So, what other reason would they make Imperial bearing axles available as an option?





None.

Pretty easy assumption to make, if you ask me.

[Migs]

So, what other reason would they make Imperial bearing axles available as an option?





None.

Pretty easy assumption to make, if you ask me.
I agree, its an assumption that can be made based on having imperial axels as an option, but i dont think the smugness of other posts was required

On a happy note, the Tamiya 2wd in the hands of Lee Martin at the first BRCA nationals on the weekend, good stuff!!

[philpac]

On our outdoor track an 8.5 is a tad on the slow side...

Hupo says otherwise :P

Clicky (http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29171)

Not sure whether you'd class the 2009 Euros track as slow though.

[flipside]

Don't forget 5300Mah 40C cells...

[philpac]

Don't forget 5300Mah 40C cells...


Good point :D

[simoncrabb]

I took the opportunity to get my hands on Lee's 201X on Saturday and it's really nice, good plastics, very tidy.

The option to use B4 front wheels makes a lot of sense to me too, so now 'most' 2wds can share front wheels, awesome.

BUT, whether I want one or not is now under question, I'm not sure I'm enjoying rear motor 2wd...

[Lee Martin]

But you havnt tried THIS one yet ;)

[AaronR]

Two things I've been thinking about... (maybe you can answer them, Lee, maybe not)

1. Will the car come with aluminum servo mounts? (The 501X/511s came with plastic mounts and that's ghey.)

2. Will the car use 511/DB01/RC10B4 slipper pads or will they be a new shape?

[Migs]

hey dudes, does anyone have a solid idea on the price range the car will hit the market at

[DaveG28]

Some more of the information now floating around on various sites on the TRF201 now added to the TRFracing site on the news page (along with a sneak peak at another new TRF vehicle), and a first stab at hopups/parts added in reviews/tips at http://www.trfracing.co.uk/page_1266421668280.html (All the new parts are there, plus a guess at which hopups from the 511 are relevant too).

As soon as more information is available or I can confirm the radio race car stuff is all definitely right (I'm sure it is but can't find the source right now), it will be added!:thumbsup:

[B44&501xRacerEX]

Thanks for the link...I think the car will be out next month.

[B44&501xRacerEX]

[QUOTE=simoncrabb;368278]I took the opportunity to get my hands on Lee's 201X on Saturday and it's really nice, good plastics, very tidy.

The option to use B4 front wheels makes a lot of sense to me too, so now 'most' 2wds can share front wheels, awesome.

QUOTE]


Direct fit for B4 front wheels...nice Team TRF does a good job standarizing
everything. As Jconcepts wheels do fit the 511/501/DB01, but you need a
washer inside the front wheel. :)
I was thinking Jconcepts B4 wheels anyhow. As you get 4 instead of 2.

[DaveG28]

I think Pidge has a wheel tip to share when he gets chance ;)

May make it worth getting the option axles as proline rims may have a slight advantage over Tam ones!

[MRD]

I think Pidge has a wheel tip to share when he gets chance ;)

May make it worth getting the option axles as proline rims may have a slight advantage over Tam ones!

I'm gonna take a stab at this...

By the looks of the pics and the recomended tyres, I bet the 2wd rims are the same width as 4wd Fronts, thus making our shuey 2wd tyres impossible to fit??

Am I right? :woot:

[AaronR]

I think Pidge has a wheel tip to share when he gets chance ;)

May make it worth getting the option axles as proline rims may have a slight advantage over Tam ones!

I see Tamiya front wheels here...

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/2010national-talywain/2wd/news03.jpg

[DaveG28]

I should never have said anything!!!!

I just checked and I'm talking rubbish!! I was thinking I'd prefer Proline due to a difference in the spokes on the rears from what I saw at the weekend, but having just looked they look the same as the Tamiya to me, so probably just as easy to use either!!

There is a mod though, just need some pics before I post them up!

[MRD]

Awwww, I thought I was onto something then lol.

I hope this car comes in less than £200 from HK, especialy when its replacing a mint B4 Ft that will just end up sat on a shelf.

Now I just need a TRF Tshirt from TamUSA, anyone in the US willing to ship me a couple over? :)

[DCM]

I placed my pre-order in, today, for chassis, shell and wing :woot:

[bigred5765]

I'm gonna take a stab at this...

By the looks of the pics and the recomended tyres, I bet the 2wd rims are the same width as 4wd Fronts, thus making our shuey 2wd tyres impossible to fit??

Am I right? :woot:
all b4 rims, schuy front, and im guessing tamiya front have always been same width as 4wd front and shuy 2wd tyres fit perfect

[MRD]

I placed my pre-order in, today, for chassis, shell and wing :woot:

Where's taking pre orders?

[DCM]

the Japanese Champ of RC....

[ramdrive]

Indeed, Champ has my back also on this, hope the Volcano does not spoil the party!

Would be cool if the 201's ship before the SV :thumbsup::woot::thumbsup:

Also some good pics over at rc lazy of the 201...

the Japanese Champ of RC....

[GRIFF55]

Whats the six different prices on the cars for then?

[DCM]

not looked, but chances are, they are different extras with the car as it is released, so chassis, chassis with body and wing, then with electrics and what not...

[B44&501xRacerEX]

I placed my pre-order in, today, for chassis, shell and wing :woot:

I probably wont pre-order mine at my local hobby shop until next week.
As I have 501x goodies to pick up this at the shop this week.:thumbsup:

[simoncrabb]

Shall I pre-order one?

My heart says yes, but my head is saying.... Cougar SV!!!

[B44&501xRacerEX]

Im not going for the bling factor this time, so the tamiya is my choice.
Plastic on a 2wd doesnt bother me as much, as I know the car is
gonna be a tank, like the 501x is.

Tamiya stuff is easier for me to get, as your supposed to support your local
tracks. Not buy stuff online. My lesson was learned on that deal.
I buy directly from tamiya usa if my shop doesnt have it in, just send
tamiya usa a money order and I'm covered!

[Smartalec]

Shall I pre-order one?

My heart says yes, but my head is saying.... Cougar SV!!!
Get on the pre order list matey, you know it makes sense :thumbsup:
I had a go with Matt Haskell's B4 at PDA last night and it was that good I would have been happy to have used it all night. It had more grip, more side bite and more of everything than my CR2 so if the Tamiya is a B4 clone with better plastic and better shocks I can see it being excellent. :thumbsup:

[PaulUpton]

Get on the pre order list matey, you know it makes sense :thumbsup:
I had a go with Matt Haskell's B4 at PDA last night and it was that good I would have been happy to have used it all night. It had more grip, more side bite and more of everything than my CR2 so if the Tamiya is a B4 clone with better plastic and better shocks I can see it being excellent. :thumbsup:

so is your 201x pre ordered alec? :thumbsup:

[MRD]

I was going to preorder but I don't want to get bummed on the price so for the sake of a couple of weeks I'll wait until its in the Hk and Jp shops and try get the best deal.

Anyone know if its got the improved ballcups? I havn't heard anything about them for a month or too.

[Smartalec]

so is your 201x pre ordered alec? :thumbsup:
Nope, I don't pre-order anything, i'll just wait and get the best price at the time :thumbsup:

[Matt-h]

Get on the pre order list matey, you know it makes sense :thumbsup:
I had a go with Matt Haskell's B4 at PDA last night and it was that good I would have been happy to have used it all night. It had more grip, more side bite and more of everything than my CR2 so if the Tamiya is a B4 clone with better plastic and better shocks I can see it being excellent. :thumbsup:

Cheers mate, shame i never made it look that good

[tjf]

Will we get decent uk support for this car?

[Smartalec]

Cheers mate, shame i never made it look that good
LOL, you just need to use more brakes and more throttle and stop driving it like a snoring car :lol:

[DaveG28]

Hmm, looking at pics of it at Long Beach GP in the staes on a stand, still has the blue turnbuckles and gold shocks, be good to find out if it comes with them and therefore doesn't need them as extras!