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That ansmann comment is a bit low imo, ansmann/team c have looked at the best parts of the current cars and put them all together in one, no parts are like for like, you buy a madrat and see how many parts properly fit other cars
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Ansman is called TQ racing in the USA, and they have a "new" 1/8th scale coming out..
and let me tell you it is the EXACT Copy of the GS Racing CLX. http://www.neobuggy.net/modules/news...p?storyid=7892 it doesnt get any worse then that
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TQ is NOT "Ansmann". They are a US company that re-brands another companies product that isnt currently distributed in the US and imports them into the US under the known TQ name.
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I can never work out why people defend the likes of Ansmann. The parts may not be properly interchangeable but it's pretty clear where they took the lion share of the design from. Except for that front top plate thingy, that's very RB5-ish. (made a comment here that was wrong wrong wrong wrong, my bad) |
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Ill defend them because they bring new people with a small budget into our hobby! The car is RB5 ish, but then id say when the b4 was released it was xxx-ish in some ways.
Im not sticking up for cloners, far from that!!! But to say that a car like the madrat is a clone is a little unfair
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I understand you there are only so many ways to build a rear motored 2wd buggy but don't blind yourself just because the car is a step above the reg clone crap. I won't bag on ansmann but I will say they are innovating the hobby.. they definately are ruffling any of the big 3's feathers..
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The Ansmann Madrat is a goddamn clone, so is their 4wd jobby. Perhaps not an exact copy and maybe they are better quality than all the other clones, but that doesn't remove the fact that they copies. I also mentioned that manufacturers copy from others, design features come out, they get taken up by rival manufacturers. No problem there. But to clone someone elses design almost entirely? Anyhoo, I'm going to leave it at that. This forum is a very pleasant troll/argument free place and I should do my bit to keep it that way. |
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There is a big difference between a 'best features of other cars' design and a true clone - and its all down to product development. Such a car still needs testing because each and every part is unique to it (albeit very similar to somebody elses) and there is no guarantee the whole lot will work together. Perfect example is the X-Factory X5 which is technically a XXX-4 drivetrain with XX-4 suspension (so by your definition a 'clone') but clearly required a lot of work to get right.
In contrast if I made a straight copy (down to the screw holes) of say the new Cougar, I don't need to do any testing at all. Schumacher have done all that for me and since my design is identical to theirs its going to work pretty much the same. Put another way, the first type is a shortcut, the second outright cheating.......
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As it's been said, people will use other peoples ideas. They see something working on another car, and try to implement it on their own. That's evolution.
Completely copying on the other hand, is a totally different matter. |
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Chances are the Durango copy is made from parts off the same production line. It's posible the quality is every bit as good as the orginal. The Chinese are plenty clever enough to get it right. There's a big difference between a Chinese designed, developed & manufactured kit and a straight forward clone rip-off. The former is fair sport. The latter is theft. |
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my old design teacher once said to me "a Designer is an improver"
I think this statement is quite true, its very rare for someone to come up with a 'new' object for cars to roll on (a wheel as its most often known) but designers come up with new ways of shaping the internals of the wheel, wheel fixing, off-set, width and so on. this is design. (and often involved prototypes and testing to optimise this design) getting a pair of calipers around a current wheel and reproducing it 100% like for like isn't really design is it. I mean they could at least put some effort in and do an embossed logo or something like that surely... before you beat me up, I'm using a wheel as an example here, I know people like to have a universal standard of fitment and we are restricted by tire dimensions too, but you get my idea. |
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to be fair the whole ansmann thing is rubbish they dont make the car team C do also the car is different to anything out there since it has a losi like rear end and a rb5 like front it is different though there is not one single part other thank things like screws and diff balls that can be swapped onto any other car and the car peforms different to the losi the RB5 and any other 2wd cars out there in the end with a rear motored 2wd how many ways can it be built there really is always going to be one way that is "best" look at F1 by then end of the season nearly the whole field will be running nearly the same car in racing its peformance that counts not looks or who has coppied who if this durango clone comes out and seems to be made well i will buy one i own 3 Trex clones as mentioned above and i bet some of you are typing on desktop pc ohh your all using IBM clones see in the end the world is a hard place and things will be coppied especialy some of the best designs in the world its life get over it
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all this reminds me of this schumacher (?) clone
http://www.r2hobbies.com/eng/proddet...od=rcve3301002 |
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Actually its a perfect analogy for a simple reason - it shifted the burden of development to the aftermarket.
RC used to be like that once, and may well be again. Once upon a time we all ran the 1 or 2 cars available, but you could buy say improved wishbones from 100's of different people. If everyone drives competant Chinese Durango clones and all big innovations are copied and cloned days after appearing to that extent its not worth doing, people might well stop designing whole cars. But they could to a roaring trade in improved shock towers, or stronger wishbones etc. This already happens in 1/5th. Some HPI Baja clones are as good as the real deal, but this has only boosted the sales of aftermarket parts for Baja's. The cloners are squeezing HPI, but are helping the small parts industry. Innovation lives on, just from a new source. Remember we are racers, we always want a better car than the other guy. Where that edge comes from (stock or aftermarket) is not important.
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Steve Jobs once said "Good designers copy, great designers steal" or something to that effect.
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I noticed a comment saying that the clone will be bought by people who wouldn't have been able to afford to buy a real Durango, so it doesn't really affect the situation.
True, but by buying a clone, instead of something legitimate they COULD afford (HPI Cyber 10b, Tamiya DB01 etc), they are hurting even more companies. Its unethical, and stinks on so many levels.
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