FRCC Invitational 2013

[V6Jim]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you would run 14 races whatever format is chosen, if you have two cars....

Anyway, yes, I'll keep an eye on this thread to see if someone can enlighten me to the benefits of the Oople format with regard to this meeting.

Jimmy

[jason-l]

Originally Posted by discothesnake

Fair enough Jimmy. It's nothing to do with people disagreeing with me, I'm just trying to explain how these meetings run.

Sure, one class suits you as you have one car. People with two cars end up being frustrated due to lack of time. Running two classes means 14 races and that's crazy.

Remember, the people who run two classes are the ones who are keeping the number of cars up. Without them it'd be an extremely quiet meeting.

I'm not gonna say any more on the matter.

Dave, with respect, you haven't explained anything - you've simply declared oOple is better because it creates more free time (without explaining how) and left it at that. And nobody is disagreeing with you, we are simply expressing our preferences. As Jim says, this thread is to discuss - how can it be a discussion if you reply as you did to me.

As per my previous post, oOple format is being promoted for the reason that it gives drivers more free time - but that is simply not the case, you don't have to have been to oOple or whatever to be able to do the maths... You're essentially subtracting the number of times you drive/marshall from the length of the day. The answer is as near as damnit the same for oOple or Normal (see the numbers in my pervious post).

This thread is about a two day meeting and I'm not aware anyone has disagreed with that proposal, so why are you now talking about 14 races in one day?

[discothesnake]

Because Jason, 14 races in one day is what you do if run two classes. 4 qualifiers and 3 finals. If you run it over 2 days youd be racing 8 times a day. You gain time significantly. We need to get away from this 'rushing' to get a meeting finished. All this will do will put people off from running two classes.

If we insist on running it over one day then it should definitely be 1 final for all.

[jason-l]

I agree about the negativity of cramming it all in one day, Dave. Sunday was my first experience of 2 classes in one day (14 races, 10 marshall duties) and it was frantic/stressful to say the least. So I'm totally in favour of having it over 2 days - 1 day mayhem vs 2 day relaxed is not what I'm discussing. Please read my posts again.

My comments about free time comparisons are oOple vs Normal, ie. comparing the two 2 day meeting options John suggested we discuss.

[orinoco]

How's about just trying one way in 2013, and if it doesn't work well, try the other way in 2014. Toss a coin to decide which one should be the first tried. This threads getting a bit Mark Christopher/Frecklychimpish in my opinion. As Si said 'it's only toy cars' at a fun charity event.

[discothesnake]

I'm not arguing with anyone on this, i am really just trying to get accross that the two 2 day EOS style cant work as there are not enough racers up here.

We have to look at another way of running it and in my opinion the oOple format looks like it would work best.

4 qualifiers on Saturday per class - 8 races. 8 marshalling duties.
1 qualifier and 3 finals on Sunday - 8 races. 8 Marshalling duties.

Thats 6 races less per day if you crammed it in to one day.

If you run 1 class then obviosly it would be 4 races per day.

Also remember, if you only have one car you only get to run on one day. I think it's unfair to exclude anyone from running on both days.

If anyone comes up with a better solution then great.

[V6Jim]

I suppose the whole crux of the thing comes down to what the guys running a single class think.

If you're running two classes you get your 8 races a day. You're there for both days whatever format is run. Fine.

If you're running just one you only get 4 races per day. To me that's just not enough - taking the 'relaxed' theme a bit too far! I'm pretty sure I'd not want to either travel twice to the venue over two days or pay for the expense of a hotel to spend so little time on the track. (One race every two hours)

I'd be quite happy to not race over two days preferring one busy day to two long drawn out ones.

There must be others from the Scotland section with views on this?

Jimmy

Good thread this, by the way!

[paul whittock]

I agree jimmy I only run 1 class so to travel all that way for 4 races per day is not anoth time on track . The only way it would work is just to see how many people turn up on the day if the numbers are down just increase the amount of heats and finals , is there a strict rule on this ?

[KennyClark]

You guys are all crazy!
I can tell you if I have anything to do with organizing the next one and it becomes a 2 day event, it will be 2wd sat, 4wd Sunday.
It works for a brca national meeting so it will work for our wee meeting.
In my opinion its the format that suits most people.
Not everyone can commit to 2 days.

[Racing Snake]

We cannot aim to make it fair for everyone as that is totally impossible.

Splitting the classes across the 2 days i.e.

2WD Saturday
4WD Sunday

I think will work best up here as it makes things much simpler to organise & also easier for the racers as they have only 1 class to concentrate on per day. From the responses I've had personally the above is what people want & is most likely to be the format for 2013.

The aim is to have an enjoyable event & cramming it all into 1 day just causes stress. I also believe we will have even more guys from south of the border next year so means more heats to organise.

[V6Jim]

Originally Posted by KennyClark

You guys are all crazy!
I can tell you if I have anything to do with organizing the next one and it becomes a 2 day event, it will be 2wd sat, 4wd Sunday.
It works for a brca national meeting so it will work for our wee meeting.
In my opinion its the format that suits most people.
Not everyone can commit to 2 days.

Purrrrrcisely!




Jimmy

[Racing Snake]

The pitting in the back room is hampered at the moment due to the electrical fault with the lighting, hence the temporary lighting. However at the far end of the hall there is ample space for more pitting plus a 2nd hall which is about 1/3 to 1/2 the size of the main hall which can be used in the future.

We used to have around 15+ people who used to pit in the back room in the touring car days of the club.

The main reason for this thread is to get ideas, constructive criticism & gauge interest for a 2 day event.

[V6Jim]

Originally Posted by Racing Snake

We cannot aim to make it fair for everyone as that is totally impossible.

Splitting the classes across the 2 days i.e.

2WD Saturday
4WD Sunday

I think will work best up here as it makes things much simpler to organise & also easier for the racers as they have only 1 class to concentrate on per day. From the responses I've had personally the above is what people want & is most likely to be the format for 2013.

The aim is to have an enjoyable event & cramming it all into 1 day just causes stress. I also believe we will have even more guys from south of the border next year so means more heats to organise.

You'd ideally be looking for 40 - 60 drivers per class. I'm sure you could encourage more drivers to travel up from England and possibly over from Ireland with the right publicity. If Nathan and Co can do it so can others.

Jimmy

[discothesnake]

I would love to to be able to run a meeting to that format up here.

If we could get 40-60 drivers per class it would be awesome.

[traffman]

2wd saturday , 4wd sunday sounds like a decent compromise.

I'm just thinking of the people travelling from further afield .

Happy Crimboid.

[ClydeBuilt]

Is it still going to be invitation only then?

For causes like that its more of a 'donation' than a race fee for me, any chance of a 'completely crap' class? I drive like a kid in baby-stroller chasing the cat Im afraid!

Wullie

[ClydeBuilt]

Originally Posted by discothesnake

I agree that it was a bit of a squeeze but do you have any idea the cost of hiring a large gym hall? It's catch 22 I'm afraid..

Have you considered that the cost of the hall might be waived when the good cause is made known to who ever owns/runs the hall?

[V6Jim]

Originally Posted by ClydeBuilt

Have you considered that the cost of the hall might be waived when the good cause is made known to who ever owns/runs the hall?

Good idea!

Jimmy

[sidawson]

It's a berry good idea but we still have to transport al the kit to build the track which is no mean feat

[discothesnake]

Large halls can cost anything from £400 to £700 for a weekends racing. If someone can find one for free for TWO days then that'd be incredible.

Also as Simon says, when racing at a hall that's not your own, we need to find transport. There's lots to organising these meetings. Ask John!