B44 camber link ball stud location and spacers adjustments

[CODMAN]

Hi all, I'm still figuring out all the adjustments on my B44 and need some help. Most of it is the same as my older cars (camber, toe in, anti-squat)... But this is the first time I have a car I can actually move the ball stud of the camber rods around (as well as raise or lower them). I've looked everywhere in the manual, and searched here, but I can't seem to find a good clear explanation of what exactly changing this parameter does to the geometry and how it affects the car. Obviously, changing these around changes how the steering blocks move when the arms are compressed. But how exactly? So more specifically, can someone take the time to clearly explain exactly what the following does to the steering blocks geometry and travel and how it affects handling?

1- Using the front or back holes in the upper deck for the ball studs

2- Lowering or raising the ball studs with washers

Thanks in advance for your help!

CODMAN

[enfieldbanana]

Hey dude!!!!

Now I'm very happy if anybody corrects me wrong here and I won't have a tantrum.

It's all about adjusting the cars roll centre. When I first starting running my B44 I found that the car rolled a lot when going round corners and as a result I had to dial out a lot of that roll. Oh....I run indoors on carpet using mini pins.

Adjusting the length of your camber links and raising/lowering the ball studs does the same thing, but when you play around with the height of the ball studs it has a more subtle effect than if you adjust the length of the camber links. Does that make any sense???

Have a look at this:

Less Roll: Shorter camber links/more washers under ball stud

More Roll: Longer camber links/less washers under ball stud

Adjusting Height of Ball Studs: Small adjustment

Adjusting Length of Camber Link: Big adjustment

As I wanted to have less roll I added a washer underneath the ball studs (front and rear) but I found that I had to turn the nut upside down so the nylon in it got a good grip on the thread and wouldn't come undone. So now I run with 3 washers under the ball studs for indoors on carpet.

Hope that is some help and right.

Andy

[CODMAN]

Thanks Banana! yes it does make some sense! These parameters seem to affect the amount camber actually increases as the arm travels through it's stroke (which affects the Roll). Somebody actually showed me this on the car and now I understand a bit better what there adjustments do. Now to play around with them a bit and figure out what I prefer!!!

Cheers!

CODMAN

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Originally Posted by enfieldbanana

Hey dude!!!!

Now I'm very happy if anybody corrects me wrong here and I won't have a tantrum.

It's all about adjusting the cars roll centre. When I first starting running my B44 I found that the car rolled a lot when going round corners and as a result I had to dial out a lot of that roll. Oh....I run indoors on carpet using mini pins.

Adjusting the length of your camber links and raising/lowering the ball studs does the same thing, but when you play around with the height of the ball studs it has a more subtle effect than if you adjust the length of the camber links. Does that make any

Have a look at this:

Less Roll: Shorter camber links/more washers under ball stud

More Roll: Longer camber links/less washers under ball stud

Adjusting Height of Ball Studs: Small adjustment

Adjusting Length of Camber Link: Big adjustment

As I wanted to have less roll I added a washer underneath the ball studs (front and rear) but I found that I had to turn the nut upside down so the nylon in it got a good grip on the thread and wouldn't come undone. So now I run with 3 washers under the ball studs for indoors on carpet.

Hope that is some help and right.

Andy

sort of right the camber link length changes the rate of camber gain in a roll
as the tyre camber will change from preset to 0 to + as the car rolls through a corner. the shorter the link the more more aggressive the camber gain will be usually suited for tight twisty tracks and the longer the camber link the lower the camber gains is usually suitable for long fast sweeping corners.

the roll center is changed by altering the angle that the camber link sits at in relation to the ground wheel and c-of-g. read elvos car handling guide for more info