LiPo Charging Pouch

[DCM]

Thinking out aloud, and want to try and get an answer to this question that has been bugging me.

Right, with all safety equipment, that is sold in the UK, it has to carry the Kite Mark (BSi stamp of approval), so, you invest your money in a LiPo charging pouch, how do you know it will work, how is it tested and rated, and in the end, if the bag fails to do it's intended purpose, the fact that it isn't tested, how do you get recourse?

[Chequered Flag Racing]

oh no, I fear a BRCA approved list coming

sorry but can't answer your concerns though

I have the LP-Guard but it has no BSi Kite mark

[DCM]

you can see where I am coming from though. If you have a fire blanket in your kitchen or work place, it has to of passed a rigorous test to ensure it conforms to regualtions. Now, we have these pouches, which are supposed to not extinguish a combustion, but contain it.

[glypo]

I share the same thoughts exactly.

I could make a pouch tomorrow and sell it, without any regulation how do we ensure they are even worth the effort?

[DCM]

so I am not alone then in these thoughts. The reason it bothers me, is that these are sold as safety items.

Now, they have to work in a flame containment manner, as when the lipo goes, the chemicals within the cell, combust on contact with atmosphere, so the bags musn't be air tight, as once it has burnt the oxygen in the back, you open it, and poof, up it goes again, so they need to be able to hold together whilst the combustion goes on.

[Northy]

People also need to use them correctly. I've seen many people using them without the flap closed properly

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[dave g]

im going to charge mine in an oven glove...

[DCM]

if the flaps open, might as well have the cell out. As it stands, and this isn't enforced by the BRCA, it is just a recomendation (and in the light of NiMH's still going pop 'cause you looked at them wrong'), seems OTT. There is nothing to stop me, going out and buying a plumbers soldering mat (the ones used to protect the walls from flames), stitching it together, bit of velcro, and I got a LiPo sack.

Just bothers me that, if the item is such a SAFETY item, there is nothing in place, it appears, that don't stipulate build regs, flame resistance times etc etc

[mark christopher]

are there rules in the brca/efra etc on using em so who is going to legislate it.

do condoms carry a kite mark?

[Foppa]

This is from the Electric Common:

5.3.1 All LiPo packs used for motor power must be charged inside a “Lipo Sack” or similar
fire mitigation device proven to withstand a minimum of an 8.4 V 5000 mAh lithium
polymer pack failing destructively without showing external flame. EFRA will include a list

of recommended charging containers on the approved battery list.

[Northy]

But packs up to 5500mAh are legal now

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[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by Foppa

This is from the Electric Common:

5.3.1 All LiPo packs used for motor power must be charged inside a “Lipo Sack” or similar
fire mitigation device proven to withstand a minimum of an 8.4 V 5000 mAh lithium
polymer pack failing destructively without showing external flame. EFRA will include a list

of recommended charging containers on the approved battery list.

so that rule is perfectly useless, as the limit is now higher than 5000mah

[Foppa]

Yes it looks that way :-)

Perfect when they change one rule and doesnt look how it may effect other rules!

[dave g]

and wouldnt they have to test the sack with every make of battery..one lipo may burn brighter than the next make?

[bigred5765]

I thought the idea of the hard case was to keep it all contained??

[dave g]

i think it just goes to show what fools(ammended for burgies thin skin) make these rules up,when we have 2 battery types,one burns,the other goes off like a nade and only one has to be victimised..

[Northy]

Originally Posted by bigred5765

I thought the idea of the hard case was to keep it all contained??

Nope, that's to try and prevent damage to the cells that will cause it to become dangerous.

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[Lee]

I want to know where they get the air tight velcro from

[burgie]

Originally Posted by dave g

i think it just goes to show what a bunch of half arsed pricks make these rules up....

the rule may be a little curious, but that's more than un-called for, and a comment such as that really is out of order.

[dave g]

why is it?
the ruling for lipo safety is out of touch with the real world when compared to the ruling for nimh safety,or dont you agree?..one rule for one,err..no rule for the other.

i call things as i see them...no rose coloured glasses here burgie